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Old 12-03-2012, 04:05 PM   #61 (permalink)
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The AMA reported last month that E-15 won't be available in California for years to come.

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A big problem for motorcyclists and others who buy gas from pumps that share a single dispensing nozzle is that they will need to buy at least 4 gallons of non-E15 fuel because the concern is that otherwise the ethanol content of the gas might be too highly concentrated due to leftover E15 in the hose. This creates a big problem for those who can't put 4 gallons in their tank.

http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...ain_pumps.aspx


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Old 12-03-2012, 04:11 PM   #63 (permalink)
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The AMA reported last month that E-15 won't be available in California for years to come.

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=50265
People and agencies are looking on the lines of forever not short term.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:05 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Here's something to try....some of the above documents state that E15 may have to be dispensed from a separate dispenser. Try this...get in touch with the owner of the station and say that if he can do a pump for non-Ethanol fuel only, you will use his station and tell all your friends about it as well. Station owners would LOVE to get dedicated customers. In one case which I know about, they had a pump with "Racing Gas" which rarely sold. They swapped over to non ethanol fuel and they make a few more cents per sale and the customer is happy that he can get non-eth gas. A win-win for both!!

Try this with you favorite station....some swap their Kero to Gas after the heating season. Works best on locally owned stations...Exxon ain't going to start doing it on a large scale. Smaller major suppliers (ex.: guys that sell Exxon gas but are not owned by Exxon) and small independents are the best as they are more flexible than Corp. outlets.

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You can research via Google or any search engine the repair reports due to Ethanol.

Here is one result of millions but you will probably deny what this plainly explains anyway but it might help others with this ongoing issue and in turn they can educate others. This is also why AAA is now stepping in because they cover Boats, ATV's, Motorcycles and all Vehicles.

http://www.energy-consumers-edge.com...anol-fuel.html
That link makes a lot of claims, but no citations. Where are those millions of fires, etc.?

Fact is, ethanol has been used in fuel for quite awhile in some areas. Where are all of these massive problems in vehicles rated for E10? Which happens to be everything sold in the US for more than a decade, and almost 95% of all road vehicle gasoline sold contains up to that 10% ethanol.
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And Ethanol is still nasty fuel.
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Fact is, ethanol has been used in fuel for quite awhile in some areas. Where are all of these massive problems in vehicles rated for E10?
The problem isn't in vehicles that are engineered to run E fuels, but rather in vehicles that AREN'T designed to run it, which is still a huge number! Marine - Powersports - Yard Equipment etc.
That, combined with the fact that Ethanol has a lower BTU content than Gasoline means you're not going as far on a tank.

I'm all for lower emissions and renewable energy, but at a huge cost to me and my older seasonal fleet? Given the opportunity, I'll avoid it.
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The problem isn't in vehicles that are engineered to run E fuels, but rather in vehicles that AREN'T designed to run it, which is still a huge number! Marine - Powersports - Yard Equipment etc.
That, combined with the fact that Ethanol has a lower BTU content than Gasoline means you're not going as far on a tank.

I'm all for lower emissions and renewable energy, but at a huge cost to me and my older seasonal fleet? Given the opportunity, I'll avoid it.
And there is the issue that most cannot grasp even with both hands and JB Weld applied.
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The problem isn't in vehicles that are engineered to run E fuels, but rather in vehicles that AREN'T designed to run it, which is still a huge number! Marine - Powersports - Yard Equipment etc.
That, combined with the fact that Ethanol has a lower BTU content than Gasoline means you're not going as far on a tank.

I'm all for lower emissions and renewable energy, but at a huge cost to me and my older seasonal fleet? Given the opportunity, I'll avoid it.
This is still like arguing that since diesel will screw up our engines, it shouldn't be sold at all.
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This is still like arguing that since diesel will screw up our engines, it shouldn't be sold at all.
No it is not. No car makers are saying your warranty is void if you use diesel fuel in your diesel engine. Stop deflecting onto another argument.
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