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doxiedog

I think shotgun shells are steel,by law.

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Chuck95642

Av Gas runs about 101 Octane. The one guy I have been talking to is a bike collector and he mixes 4glns of Av Gas to 1gln of 87 Unleaded to dilute the Av Gas down and get 98 Octane and he says he has no issues with the mixture at all. He mixes 10glns at a time in two 5 gln cans and his local airport understands he runs it in his Vintage Motorcycles. He says he runs this in all of his vintage pre- 70's bikes, gets great fuel mileage and they run like a dream. The trick is diluting it down. He has told me paying the $6.00 a gln he does is very well worth the cost of not having to put any Ethanol Fuel into his vintage engines.

On my own "Ride To Be" I will probably end up in time having the Engine rebuilt anyway at sometime in the future and at that time have it upgraded to run just about anything but the cost is not going to be pretty. (insert loud screaming gnashing of teeth here that would scare Sasquatch out of hiding)

Tripps

Only for waterfowl hunting.

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Owenbrau

Nope. Congress said fuel had to have oxygenation additives put in. Industry picked MTBD.


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Owenbrau

If ethanol were as bad as some here claim, most of the vehicles in America would have broken down by now. Oddly enough, that hasn't happened.


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HAP

http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/faq.htm

Obvious you and I don't read the same EPA stuff.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=MTBE
Industry wanted to protect the manufacturers after EPA suggested the use and it was found to cause harm.

I have no dog in this pi$$ing match but both sides should just give up and drink the kool aid their cult has for that occasion when they might be caught stretching the truth or what they believe is proven false. An example such as the distortion of effects on engines by some hides the problem of using a food source to make fuel. The proof that the stuff works when properly stored and transported is over 15 years of use.
Over a thousand articles on line regarding who, what, when, where thes fuels came about. Read the two links and be surprised who ordered up both MTBD and the sacred Ethanol.

Owenbrau

Actually, that confirms what I said. The EPA did not mandate it, it was in fact already I use when Congress passed the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990.


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Chuck95642

Ya E-15 is so good they cannot pump it through the normal large fuel pipes from the refineries to the distribution centers across the USA and must be transported by tanker trucks only.

No thank you. I will pass on that junk.

I also want to thank the automotive consultant for chiming in on this thread. The more people advocate for this E-15 and the more I see people say just suck it up the better Av Gas and Race Fuel is looking by the day. Who cares about the higher cost. Performance and long lasting is worth the costs and yes my bike will be a daily rider year round.

Owenbrau

Ethanol fuels aren't transported by pipelines to begin with. The feedstock gasoline is piped to distributors, which then blend in the ethanol. What's been happening is the oil companies are refusing to ship the e15 feedstock (different from e10 feedstock) gasoline to areas where e15 is already legal. It helps if you look at where most of the resistance starts; the oil companies, who don't want to sell less oil. They don't want us to move to renewable fuels that they can't control.

Where are the legions of destroyed vehicles?


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Chuck95642

You can research via Google or any search engine the repair reports due to Ethanol.

Here is one result of millions but you will probably deny what this plainly explains anyway but it might help others with this ongoing issue and in turn they can educate others. This is also why AAA is now stepping in because they cover Boats, ATV's, Motorcycles and all Vehicles.

http://www.energy-consumers-edge.com...anol-fuel.html