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post #1 of 218 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 10:37 AM Thread Starter
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I think these teens picked the wrong house to break into but that doesn't give him the right to do what he did.

http://news.yahoo.com/minn-homeowner...165741172.html

A Minnesota man was charged Monday with second-degree murder in the Thanksgiving Day shooting deaths of two teenage cousins he said had broken into his home.
Byron David Smith, 64, of Little Falls, told investigators he shot 17-year-old Nicholas Brady Schaeffel and 18-year-old Haile Kifer as they came downstairs into his basement workshop.
A criminal complaint says Smith told investigators he shot Schaeffel when the teen had partially descended the stairs, then fired again into the teen's face as he lay on the floor looking at him.
"I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.
He then described sitting down again in his chair, and in a few minutes, the second teen — Kifer — began walking down the steps. Smith said he shot her and she also fell down the stairs. He said he tried to shoot her again, and when his Mini 14 rifle jammed, she laughed at him.
Smith told investigators that made him mad: "If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," he said, according to the complaint.
Smith said he then pulled out a .22-caliber revolver he was wearing and shot Kifer several times in the chest. He fired a final shot under her chin because she was still gasping for air a few minutes later, he said.
Smith called a neighbor the following day, Friday, to ask if the neighbor knew any good lawyers, according to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police.
Minnesota law allows a homeowner to use deadly force on an intruder if a reasonable person would fear they're in danger of harm. Smith told investigators he was afraid the intruders might have a weapon.

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Hmmm... what would have happened had he not been armed?

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The world will never know.

You read the article right? He shot both of these people in the face/head after they were laying on the ground full of bullet holes.

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The world will never know.

You read the article right? He shot both of these people in the face/head after they were laying on the ground full of bullet holes.
Yes, shocking.

Anyway, what were the invaders doing there?

Frankly, the most shocking part to me is that a Mini-14 jammed!

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Hmmm... what would have happened had he not been armed?
Maybe he would've found out if they were armed ...

Unrestricted gun laws allow persons like this to own a gun. His action shows a lack of respect for the lifes of others, but that's something you can't validate before he buys one.

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Unrestricted gun laws allow persons like this to own a gun.

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Please explain the unrestricted gun laws in Minnesota, and what exactly you mean by "persons like this".

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Once someone is lying on the ground struggling for breath, shooting them in the face is no longer self defense.

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This wanna be cop with a hard on to kill someone should never ever see daylight again.

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what would you do? especially since one of them came to the door after hearing the shots that hit the other? wouldnt they have run? would you assume them to be friendly and unarmed, meaning you no harm?
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