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post #61 of 218 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by steve betts View Post
This is obviously not something that happens to everyone every day in the U.S., but it does appear to be something that people invest a lot of psychic energy preparing themselves for (a home invader who I have to shoot dead before they kill me)? It must suck to live in that much fear.

I've noted a lot of talk on this thread about "rights and laws" and from the defenders of these absolutes, not much mention of any scale of morality... like for example, that taking a life when it is not absolutely necessary might be a little worse than somebody taking your TV. If it truly is a last resort and what a reasonable man would do, I'm okay with it. Let's call this what it is: a cold blooded vigilante with an itchy trigger finger.
i agree. this is about an opportunistic psycho who is going to argue self defense (and probably lose).
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I agree.

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It is a shame we don't really hear about the good things that happen. Our news industry sensationalizes the worst and downplays the good.

So here we sit, making judgement calls, lacking the information to do it with.

btw: I am a holder of and advocate CCW an OC. I don't live in fear either!
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post #64 of 218 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 05:23 PM
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They broke the law and they should be punished but execution with no judge or jury is a little harsh and they were executed based on the guys own words.

What if they were your kids. I don't think execution has been listed in any states as the punishment for B&E.
Its unfortunate it turned out that way but they made the choice to enter his house not knowing what was in store for them. I dont agree with the mans way of solving it by ending their lives as he did but they picked the wrong house to enter that day. People need to be responsible for their actions. Im sure this man will find that out as well.

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post #65 of 218 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 05:57 PM
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You must share culpability in the same fashion as a man who falls off his bike with no gear, or the man who doesn't keep at least one fire extinguisher in his shop/kitchen to keep small accidental fires from spreading, or the man that contracts a 'social disease' because he refused to wear a condom and engaged in risky sex practices, or the man who fails to keep his valuables secure to prevent theft or even the temptation of theft to others, or the man that injures himself with his latest power tool because he failed to read the manual, or whatever abdication of responsibility one can think of. This is the problem with society today, we rely on others to do things for us that we should at least make an attempt to do for ourselves; it's easier to blame others instead. An ADULT does what is necessary within the laws of his locality to safeguard from harm himself and all the dependants he is responsible for. The blame most often lies with the one weakest enough to lay it.

Keep this firmly in mind; when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. The "lame" comment is uncalled for and does nothing to further an otherwise friendly discussion. .........James. many men are you hanging out with??

Keep this firmly in mind...I am most definitely an 'ADULT' (your CAPS, not mine), but not aspiring to your own personal level of paranoia does not make me any less responsible than yourself...probably more so if I were to take a guess.

But then again I'd also guess that you'll come back with more BS about guns and American rights etc. - that's fine, I like a good bedtime story.
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This nut bag is gonna do time. You can't drop someone, then shoot them in the face and cry self defense.

This happend a couple of years back in Oklahoma City. Two teens run into a pharmacy brandishing guns attempting to rob the place. The pharmacists pulls his own gun and starts emptying it, hitting one as the other ran out of the store. The wounded teen was unconscious on the floor when the pharmacist grabbed a second pistol and unloads it into the kids gut finishing him off.

The pharmacist is currently serving life.
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Rather than buying a gun and falling into that trap, I'm going to put out a warning sign on my front door and load the world's funniest joke into the household alarm system.

Yes, I am as big a pain in the ass in person as I seem to be on line.
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heck i might do the joke thingy as well. with one arm in a sling for five more weeks i have no plans for battle...just getting dressed is enough of a challenge
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I am curious about something that doesn't appear to have been brought up; why, after the initial shooting, did the second one go down into the basement to begin with? She had to have heard the shooting; 5.56 isn't a quiet round.

Self defense ends when the attacker is no longer a threat. On the ground wounded and unarmed isn't a threat. Laughing at you isn't a threat. There is a man in prison locally for just this kind of shooting; a man tried to break into his house (turned out to be drunk neighbor at wrong house), and after shooting him shot him in head while on ground.
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the only evidence about what the people shot did, when they came down the stairs, if they came separately or together, if they laughed or not etc all comes from the shooter.

We have no real idea of what happened based on the news report other than 2 people were shot multiple times and the shooter has told a version of what happened.

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