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Old 11-29-2012, 08:12 PM   #181 (permalink)
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Animal cruelty aside that's quite an impressive feat.
Seriously. I wouldn't go after a polar bear even with most firearms.

There's got to be more to that story...
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Seriously. I wouldn't go after a polar bear even with most firearms.

There's got to be more to that story...

Here's the story, it happened longer ago than I remember but I'll never forget the disturbance it caused. I lived only blocks from the zoo at the time. Bear killed Suspects caught.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:47 PM   #183 (permalink)
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Thanks Haggis. I've been wanting to make some kind of statement like this but I believe you covered it.
Well it just pi$$ed me off.

The Jews were rounded up and killed en masse simply because of their race and religion, not because they were armed or not.

The Nazis had no problem attacking more formidable and heavily armed enemies. The French actually had more tanks than the Wehrmacht in 1939 - but they were in the wrong place, behind the Maginot Line. The Russians had a massive army too when Hitler attacked them.

Hitler didn't fail to press the attack against Britain after Dunkirk because he was scared of British guns - the army had seemingly been defeated, but because he wanted the Germans and British to ally as Germanic cousins.

So that analogy is just unhistorical and disrespects the struggles of the Jews in Warsaw who though starved and heavily outgunned fought from house to house against huge odds.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:19 PM   #184 (permalink)
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Here's the story, it happened longer ago than I remember but I'll never forget the disturbance it caused. I lived only blocks from the zoo at the time. Bear killed Suspects caught.
As long as we're here in The land of off topic, let me just say what an a$$hole. I'm no animal rights activist but I'd have loved to see Mr. cinder block take a tumble into the bear's enclosure for a few rounds. He can even take his brick with him. Fawker.
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This isn't 'Reasonable Force'....I think this will be viewed as at least 2nd degree murder, perhaps not First Degree Murder as they shouldn't have been there.

He would have been better off shooting the legs out from under them, nothing more. A foot would do it.....Then called an ambulance. Then the Police. Mind you, the recipient of the bullet often sues in America, so I have heard. Thats probably why he finished them off.

This Guy looks like he will be serving some time! Probably life.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:23 AM   #186 (permalink)
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Certainly, home owners should be expected to react on a level above their primal instincts.
I pulled this one sentence from your post because it puts the whole subject into clear perspective. Humans are supposed to be superior to the lower forms of life because we can reason. But, when one gives in completely to irrational emotions, such as rage, hate, or baseless fear; that individuals reason/humanity is flushed down the toilet. In striking down ones imagined monsters, one becomes the monster (thank you Herr Nietzsche). I broadly speculate that in our weakest moment, under the proper circumstances, we are all capable of channeling our own inner Heinrich Himmler.

When it happens on a smaller scale, two teen-aged, small time, burglars are murdered (again, assuming the news story is halfway accurate) in rage by an overly fearful homeowner. When it happens on a much larger scale, history shows us that it can result in genocide. Such atrocities are not only limited to the Holocaust; but has happened throughout history, all over the world. It becomes frighteningly easy to murder other human beings when one begins to see them as "life unworthy of life" (thank you Herr Hitler, may you burn in Hell for eternity). The foregoing statement is not meant to trivialize the victims of any genocide; but murder is murder, whether it's one, two, or many millions. It is a constant responsibility for men of good conscience to guard against being sucked into the "Dark Side" (thank you Mr. Lucas). To put it in a roundabout way; I never in my life knew I was Jewish, until I visited Dachau. Some may question the wisdom of having such a place open as a tourist attraction; but a visit there forces one to seriously evaluate ones attitudes, about a lot of things.

As I stated before, this is not strictly a 'gun thread' or a 'Second Amendment thread'. It's about a news story about a murder; nothing more, nothing less. Why has this thread gone on for so many pages? Are we seeking an answer as to why it happened? Are we all evaluating our own attitudes? Or are we simply venting our outrage? Is there a purpose for so many of our dark imaginings posted on this thread? Again, I make a broad speculation; we do this as form of a 'mental fire drill'. What would we do if we were faced with an assailant who couldn't be reasoned out of his actions? Did the homeowner in question even make an attempt? I don't think he did. And thus, he will be forced to suffer the consequences of his actions. ...................James.

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I understand TT but I would draw a strong distinction between a frightened homeowner reacting out of fear (in an invasion) and the cold calculated regime of the Third Reich. But really, that's not so relevant to the point I was trying to make.

Maybe I'm just not hearing some of these messages correctly. I know that people who break and enter run the risk of death at the hand of someone who is or feels threatened but that is all very circumstantial. I'll lighten up, perhaps those who stand up and beat their chests and announce that they will take the life of a home invader, do understand their circumstantial obligations and just aren't making it part of their rhetoric. Righteous indignation - I get that.

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I understand TT but I would draw a strong distinction between a frightened homeowner reacting out of fear (in an invasion) and the cold calculated regime of the Third Reich. But really, that's not so relevant to the point I was trying to make.


The only distinction between the two is the size; both in numbers and the level of cruelty. It is the mindset that is the same. Dead is dead. Maybe I'm making a big deal out of it; but who wants to live in a world where we don't make a big deal about it from time to time?

I'll lighten up, perhaps those who stand up and beat their chests and announce that they will take the life of a home invader, do understand their circumstantial obligations and just aren't making it part of their rhetoric. Righteous indignation - I get that.
Yeah, I need to lighten up a bit myself. But, it seems to me that those who beat their chests the loudest usually describe the one on the 'wrong end' of the gun in less-than-human terms. Of course I failed to take into consideration that some of this is just venting. I'm just as guilty of it as the next man. ....James.
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More bad sh*t

A Cold Spring man shot and killed an officer who was sent to check on his "welfare" by the man's relative. The police couldn't find him on their first trip to the man's residence but later returned to follow up on the previous request for assistance. This happened less than 50 miles from the Little Falls shooting of the two teens. What the heck is in the water out there on the plains?
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one shot,one kill,people need to learn to shoot,thats gun control, and other people need to respect peoples property and space,and not be where they shouldnt be,dam shame criminals have more rights than people minding thier own business

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