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Old 11-28-2012, 03:00 PM   #151 (permalink)
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What if she was unconscious on the floor bleeding to death?
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:10 PM   #152 (permalink)
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I know I should be but since I am not trained in first aid I would call the police/911 and get my wife if she was home because she is trained in first aid.

I wouldn't even be thinking someone else was in the house if her door was wide open.

I would also like to take this opportunity to vouch for Irish. Great guy.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:14 PM   #153 (permalink)
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What I mean is that if someone I knows door were open I'd go in to check they were ok.

I'd hope not to have my head blown off for the trouble.
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I would call out and look around but I doubt I would search the whole house. Probably wouldn't go more than about 10 feet in the front door depending on what time it was. If it was 2 in the morning I might look a little further while turning on all the lights and calling out rather loudly. There are a lot of it depends and what ifs related to that question. Would probably call her cell as well.
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So...infowars.com ISN'T a parody site???

Anyone else curious as to why these 2 teens ( or anyone for that matter ) would choose to break into an OCCUPIED home( assuming they did actually break in )? Aren't there enough people who post on Facebook saying things like " Leaving for camp for 2 weeks, love the summer!" to prey on?
We don't know, or ever will know, what they were thinking or even if they knew the house was occupied.
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:06 PM   #156 (permalink)
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And...another gun thread goes viral on ratnet.

I accept that Americans have an affinity for firearms and the vestiges of a frontier mentality that is not going away just because foreign liberals don't approve.

I also recognize this is not a misunderstanding, whereby if one side offers more information, the other side will come around. This is a true disagreement about how citizens in a civil society maximize safety in their own homes.

I do however want to challenge one argument often put forth by the NRA that simply does not stand up to the scientific evidence - the one that basically says "If they want to kill you, they'll do it with a knife, baseball bat etc." While this is literally true some of the time, it is specious reasoning and ignores what we know about the psychology of violence. In short, there is a qualitative difference between the 2 lbs of pressure it takes to pull a trigger, and the threshold that must be crossed to bash somebody's brains out with a baseball bat or plunge a knife into their guts. This phenomena has been well studied in the arena of modern warfare where you can now annihilate hundreds of people as dispasssionately as you might click a control on a video game.

Thomas Hobbes got it right: "...in the nature of man we find three principal causes of quarrel....The first maketh men invade for gain; the second for safety; and the third, for reputation."

I empathize with Americans because I realize the vast majority of American gun owners are decent people who just want to protect their right to be safe. But I still think you're caught in a Hobbesian trap.
Good post. Quoting Hobbes is always a risk, but I think you pulled it off. :-)
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Aren't there enough people who post on Facebook saying things like " Leaving for camp for 2 weeks, love the summer!" to prey on?
Yeah, you gotta wonder what happens to some of those people.
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And...another gun thread goes viral on ratnet.

I accept that Americans have an affinity for firearms and the vestiges of a frontier mentality that is not going away just because foreign liberals don't approve.

I also recognize this is not a misunderstanding, whereby if one side offers more information, the other side will come around. This is a true disagreement about how citizens in a civil society maximize safety in their own homes.

I do however want to challenge one argument often put forth by the NRA that simply does not stand up to the scientific evidence - the one that basically says "If they want to kill you, they'll do it with a knife, baseball bat etc." While this is literally true some of the time, it is specious reasoning and ignores what we know about the psychology of violence. In short, there is a qualitative difference between the 2 lbs of pressure it takes to pull a trigger, and the threshold that must be crossed to bash somebody's brains out with a baseball bat or plunge a knife into their guts. This phenomena has been well studied in the arena of modern warfare where you can now annihilate hundreds of people as dispasssionately as you might click a control on a video game.

Thomas Hobbes got it right: "...in the nature of man we find three principal causes of quarrel....The first maketh men invade for gain; the second for safety; and the third, for reputation."

I empathize with Americans because I realize the vast majority of American gun owners are decent people who just want to protect their right to be safe. But I still think you're caught in a Hobbesian trap.
Steve. I recognize that folks from other countries find us odd at times but facts are facts when it comes to studies. Earlier I posted a link to the United States Census which tracks every thing in America including how we murder each other and why and with what weapon. Chart 310 shows murder rates from 2001 to 2009 with what type of weapon, type of crime, reason given if known.
I just took 2009 being the last year posted as of May 2011.

Total murders 13,700, Maybe 20 causes ranging from gangs rapes home invasion and so on. These figures are fairly constant year by year. Guns of every kind were used in 9,200 murders. The rest were knives, clubs, fists, poison ect. If folks did not have guns to kill with 4,500 folks would still be dead on average every year, year in and year out. Not making any consideration for the other 9,700 murders some of which would most probably be carried out by some other method. This seems contrary to your flat statement that it is true only some of the time that we would kill if we didn't have guns.

I am not defending nor attacking gun ownership but the anti gun establishment is just as guilty of fudging numbers as the pro side and yet there are actual case histories that go back many, many years that dispute both sides. You may not believe the US government statistics but they represent the findings in every case by police, juries, confessions and so on from every state and territory of America. Just thought I would try to balance your other wise very valid position with actual stats.
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We don't know, or ever will know, what they were thinking or even if they knew the house was occupied.
Or, for that matter, if they actually broke in.
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Hap, you and I wouldn't see exactly eye to eye on every issue, but I'm pretty sure we could sit down and have a beer and talk about it without you shooting me or me attacking you with a hockey stick.
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