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Old 11-28-2012, 11:56 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Rest, take a deep breath. The effort failed to pass and the UN will try again to become the world government in another 4 years.
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/still-n...un-ban-treaty/

And spank, yes there is such a movement in the UN. Check it out at the above.
Hap this is huge news!

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Old 11-28-2012, 11:58 AM   #132 (permalink)
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sweet of you to say so.

Although given that we had (slightly)less pilots shot down, recovered more of them and built more planes almost every month throughout the battle of britain it may not have been quite so desperate as all that, much as I'd like to believe it.

I dunno, dude...The Battle Of Britain was pretty significant in numerous ways. After Dunkirk there was literally nothing holding the Germans back from invading the UK except a dithering Hitler who preferred British capitulation rather than invasion. Radar saved the Brits, and the BoB was unusual in that it was something the general public could actually watch unfolding in the skies above them.
Hitler's switch to bombing British cities came at a crucial time, and when it was all over it forced the Germans to keep hundreds of Luftwaffe planes in Western Europe that were sorely needed in Russia.....I doubt Hitler ever realised just how close he came to gaining his overall objectives.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:03 PM   #133 (permalink)
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And I hope you're prepared for the consequences. The castle doctrine doesn't give you an unqualified right to take the life of someone who has broken into your home.


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Define "unqualified" as it applies to my post.

This summary is the way that I understand the laws that apply in my state...

"Sixteen states have adopted "Stand Your Ground" laws that allow an individual to use deadly force to protect a residence, place of business, vehicle or other property, so far Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Tennessee, South Carolina, South Dakota, Virginia and Washington have enacted statutes.

The law states that an individual in self-defense "has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force,it also forbids the arrest, detention or prosecution of the shooters covered by the law, and it prohibits civil suits against them.

There are requirements that vary from state to state before deadly force can be used a few examples are:An intruder must be making or have made an attempt to unlawfully and/or forcibly enter an occupied home, business or car.
The occupant of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to inflict bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home.

The occupant of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to commit some other felony, such as arson or burglary. The occupant of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion, or provoked or instigated an intruder to threaten or use deadly force."


The "Stand your Ground" law takes the "Castle Law" one step further, so no... If someone broke into our house, my first thoughts would be protecting my family and any thoughts of future prosecution or civil action would be the furthest from my mind.

None of that is to say that I am some gun toting nut job looking for some kind of gun fight. those on the forum that know me personally would attest to the fact that that is simply not the case. I am trained in other forms of self-defense also, and I feel strongly that my wife and my family depends on me as their primary defender. I take that responsibility seriously. It's as simple as that.

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Old 11-28-2012, 12:10 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Even so, disabling the intruder by shooting him the first time was self defence; following up with a head shot is murder.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:17 PM   #135 (permalink)
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except a dithering Hitler who preferred British capitulation rather than invasion.
Hitler's switch to bombing British cities came at a crucial time
The invasion plan called for the Luftwaffe to destroy the RAF in order to gain unrestricted air superiority as the first step. Radar gave the RAF an enormous advantage but what really decided the outcome was that the Luftwaffe switched to bombing cities rather than continuing to eliminate RAF stations.
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But it appears Obama is going / trying to disarm the united states...

...I'd rather die in the us than live in what they have planned[ATTACH]57487

It's a usual piece of Internet scare-mongering. There WAS a "U.N. Small Arms Treaty", which the US didn't sign up to, and which was only really concerned with the international illegal arms trade, anyway.

Here's a link to Snopes. It's pretty old.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:18 PM   #137 (permalink)
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Yeah, turns out I was wrong it's just a conspiracy theory.

I liked this bit from an article I read:

"You only need to look at the European Union, which now crafts around 50 per cent of the laws made in member states like Britain, to understand how unelected global institutions can and have dictated policy on a national level."

The EU crafts 0 laws in britain, the UK parliament is the only body that can craft laws, it has just agreed to pass parallel legislation to that created by the EU.
The word smithing begins. The article (by the way, if you don't like that source there are maybe a hundred more) said craft, not write laws. Your own quote says it best. Your parliament writes or creates a parralel law to the crafted one by the Belgian masters.

I am in shock you would admit I might be correct in some things. Thanks.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:23 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Hap this is huge news!

You learned how to post a link!
Irish, that is so yesterday's news. Dog got me into doing it just to torment Boldor and I got hooked.

I have learned that not every source linked is believed by some folks. Even when it is a government link nay sayers jump out of the wood work. But it is fun.
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It's certainly true that the Nazis planned to invade Switzerland and that they did not execute the plan but the reasons for that failure are not clear [to me at least]
Thank goodness that they did not invade Switzerland, because Steve McQueen would not have had a country to escape to by trying to jump the fence. This would have potentially hurt the future sales of limited edition Triumph Bonnevilles.
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I got sent a link that I don't know how to post

I took a pic of it anyway

But it appears Obama is going / trying to disarm the united states

I don't know if it's true but I've heard several things that point to it

Basically they want one united nation and no more superpowers

Well when they come for my gun I can tell you they will get it one bullet at a time sure they will get me but I'm gonna get a lot of them too

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