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Old 11-22-2012, 05:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Interesting. I like Stephen Fry. Kingdom, is a favorite.

His thesis might be true in general but there are lots of exceptions, I think
There's exceptions to everything... :-)
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Old 11-22-2012, 05:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't really know a lot of Australian comedians, and none of my aussie friends are all that funny... And I really don't like Tim Minchin. I'm sure you have funny people, but I'm not aware of any...
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:33 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Before Crocodile Dundee, Paul Hogan did a sort of 'Men behaving badly' type australian TV sitcom. I can't remember the name, but it was quite good fun, there were lots of Vegemite sandwiches in it.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:03 AM   #14 (permalink)
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My reckoning

Hoges was funny in his youth because he laid schit on himself by playing an idiot looser, but Dundee altered Hoges and he became his own legend in his little lunch box. His face got tight, he traded his Missus in for a later model and he became the winner hero super-bloke.

Australian humour has all three aspects, English Australian and American; a sort of mongrel. We were almost exclusively English/British in our humour probably until somewhere in the eighties. We watched Frank in Some Mothers, Dave Allen (OK he's Irish), Two Ronnies, a collection of misfits in Are You Being Served, the list is too long. Starting in the seventies and continuing on through the eighties there were a lot of comedies emerging based on Australian culture clashes; the Italians and Greeks made fun of themselves in shows like Home Sweet Home and Acropolis Now. We did the same with characters like Ted Bullpit in Kingswood Country. It served a very useful purpose in that it lightened many culture tensions and now the Wogs (that's what Italians and Greeks call themselves) and the Aussies get along fine by and large.

During the eighties American humour began to sneak in and through the nineties it really took hold. Now I think we view more American humour than British humour. Commercial television has almost banned the looser, only our less commercial channels, ABC and SBS televise English humour. And the mere idea of making fun of our most recent groups of migrants will have you beaten to death by the PC army.
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:26 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm sure you have funny people, but I'm not aware of any...
Most people don't get Ozzie humour. Particularly people from Australia.
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That was, IMHO, a great analogy, by Stephen Fry. I think it explains perfectly what has puzzled me about American TV for so long. I absolutely love American cartoon humor, Family Guy, Futurama, Simpsons, South Park etc but I can`t abide ANY American TV Sitcom.
I had a partner who loved Seinfeld and the few episodes I sat through, I didn`t even crack a smile, let alone laugh. I`m not degrading it, it`s just not funny to me and I think that Fry hit the nail on the head. The cartoon characters like Peter Griffin can be self effacing because they are not "real" they can just be funny, without having to be moralistic or need to have a win.
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Most people don't get Ozzie humour. Particularly people from Australia.
Now thats funny.


@welshrob: I always quite liked chandler in friends.
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You have a hard audience here Demonic. I think Fry has it bagged too. I love QI.

May I ask for your opinion of Australian humour Demonic?
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Not entirely sure I go along with Stephen Fry's comment that English humour is about failure, although it is a good source for comedy. I think the 'class system' and pretentiousness is the root of most of our best comedy.

Dad's Army being one example; in the first episode when the Walmington-on-Sea Home Guard is being set up, Mr Mainwaring appoints himself captain because he is the bank manager, Mr Wilson gets to be the sergeant as he is a lower 'rank' at the bank, even though he was an Army officer in WW1. There is a lot of subsequent humour based on that relationship.

Steptoe & Son is another comedy based on 'class' and pretentiousness, and that basis for humour goes all the way to The Office, via Till death us do part.
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I think cultural distinction is vanishing. Good humour has to both surprise us, which depends on intelligence, and balance power, which depends on who you think needs to be cut down to size.

I think two good contemporary examples of comedic brilliance are Ricky Gervais and Louis CK, and I don't see much difference in them at all regarding Fry's point.

If you think Larry the Cable Guy and Benny Hill are funny, you and I disagree on that.
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