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Old 11-19-2012, 06:50 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Deluxe is selling ABOVE MSRP a common practice in Canada? If a shop were doing that, I certainly would make a point to let the staff or owner know how I felt about that. It seems here pretty much the max $ you can get for many items is by whatever the going rate is if you google shop it. Sometimes that comes out to LESS than actual dealer cost for a small dealer. Good companies set MAPP pricing so the dealer can make at least a small margin without relying on rebates, spiffs or prompt pay to make ANY profit.

Honestly, if a shop were to try and sell a $200 MSRP item for $450, I wouldn't do business there AND let them know why!
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Question for you Demonic - would you really buy something from a store for $450, if the MSRP was $200, and you could get it for $300 online? If you would that's great,..if you would to support your local business,...ever better.

Just saying I wouldn't. But is your local retailer really looking out for you though, by marking something up so much, knowing that if MSRP is $200, they probably picked it up for $75?
I know you didn't ask me, but I'm wondering if you could put specifics to your example? Why would you pay $300 for something with an MSRP of $200? MSRP is the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. Just buy it from an authorized dealer for the $200.

Here's a more likely, realistic, and supportable example for you:

I just bought a rear tire for my bike. The best price I could find online was about $140 for it shipped to my door. Armed with this information, I went to my local dealer, and the best they could do was about $157. However, if I bought the tire from them, they would mount it for $10 less than if I brought in my wheel and the tire I bought myself. I bought the tire from them, despite the entire transaction costing me about $7 more than if I bought it online.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:59 PM   #83 (permalink)
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I know you didn't ask me, but I'm wondering if you could put specifics to your example? Why would you pay $300 for something with an MSRP of $200? MSRP is the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. Just buy it from an authorized dealer for the $200.

Here's a more likely, realistic, and supportable example for you:

I just bought a rear tire for my bike. The best price I could find online was about $140 for it shipped to my door. Armed with this information, I went to my local dealer, and the best they could do was about $157. However, if I bought the tire from them, they would mount it for $10 less than if I brought in my wheel and the tire I bought myself. I bought the tire from them, despite the entire transaction costing me about $7 more than if I bought it online.
Here's an example. A few years ago the MSRP on my EX0-900 was around $259 USD. At the time, and still now, Canada is pretty much on par. A dealer was selling it for $379. I asked this particular dealer to knock 15% off, and I would still be paying about $20 more than I could get it for online. (trying to support the local) They basically said forget it. So I bought it online.

But also I bought my Tourmaster Epic jacket from a dealer and paid about $400. I bought it because the sales guy was great. Could of bought it from a BMW place in San Diego shipped for $229 (+40 to ship)

EDIT - Just checked the Tourmaster site and the Epic is $229. Found my bill from 2 years ago and the prices was $399. (total with tax $443.07)

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Deluxe is selling ABOVE MSRP a common practice in Canada? If a shop were doing that, I certainly would make a point to let the staff or owner know how I felt about that. It seems here pretty much the max $ you can get for many items is by whatever the going rate is if you google shop it. Sometimes that comes out to LESS than actual dealer cost for a small dealer. Good companies set MAPP pricing so the dealer can make at least a small margin without relying on rebates, spiffs or prompt pay to make ANY profit.

Honestly, if a shop were to try and sell a $200 MSRP item for $450, I wouldn't do business there AND let them know why!
You guys in the states have a different pricing system that seems regional and more consumer friendly. Why do you think Canadians flock over the border to buy stuff like crazy? For one - free shipping. Ogdensberg NY is about 40 minutes from my door and I can't tell you how many people buy motorcycle stuff from the states and have it shipped to the UPS store there. I think they have a dedicated parking lot for us
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Deluxe... to bad about your jacket bro, that small bike shop in town wanted 249. for the Tourmaster flex pants. I checked online and I could get them for 199. on sale. I didn't tell them that, but when I asked them for thier best price they sold them to me for 220. You should explain to them that you could become a loyal customer, and mabye they'd cut you some slack.
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Triumphforever I bought the jacket from the Moto Guzzi, Aprillia dealer and don't regret it. I paid a lot more but the quality is great (great jacket) and the sales guy deserved the sale. I could easily got the size and buggered of since i knew what I could get the jacket for.

I have bought many things from them because they actually seem like they care, and are developing a great reputation around town.

Certainly hope I didn't rub people the wrong way,...not trying to offend. Aside from moral or ethical priorities if important to some or all,...I am really fed up not only with rip off prices everywhere (cloths, food),..but with lots of people in my part of the world who are apparently completely clueless to it.
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I guess I failed to notice you were in Canada. Are you comparing U.S. MSRP and Canadian "Out the Door" prices? Are there additional taxes or duties levied on goods there? I don't know enough to make any sort of knowledgeable argument regarding this.
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Certainly hope I didn't rub people the wrong way,...not trying to offend. Aside from moral or ethical priorities if important to some or all,...I am really fed up not only with rip off prices everywhere (cloths, food),..but with lots of people in my part of the world who are apparently completely clueless to it.
Deluxe... no offence taken, none at all. I don't like ripoff artists either. Case in point... the other day I went to one of the local brew supply shops to get my beer kit, when I went to pay for it the lady told me the price went up from 36 to 40 dollars. I explained to her that 3 months prior it was only 30 dollars, and that I had only tried this kit under her recommendation. Although I normally shop there I told her before that I would buy the can kit for 19.99, but she said this one was so much better(which it wasn't). I said that there was no way she could justify a 25% price increase in less than 4 months, and that I would be shopping somewhere else. I think it is important to tell these people to thier face when they try to rip you off
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I guess I failed to notice you were in Canada. Are you comparing U.S. MSRP and Canadian "Out the Door" prices? Are there additional taxes or duties levied on goods there? I don't know enough to make any sort of knowledgeable argument regarding this.

The easy answer is that Canadians pay more is because those selling can get away with it. Every Canadian knows most everything is cheaper in the states, but does nothing about it. And because the shipping here is high, it makes little sense to buy online unless a great deal comes up. An item can sell for $50 in the US and $75 in Canada,...but may cost $20 to ship, so easier to buy local and pay more.

There was some mutterings but nothing has happened nationally. Lots of excuses but no resolve

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...on-bureau.html
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The easy answer is that Canadians pay more is because those selling can get away with it. Every Canadian knows most everything is cheaper in the states, but does nothing about it. And because the shipping here is high, it makes little sense to buy online unless a great deal comes up. An item can sell for $50 in the US and $75 in Canada,...but may cost $20 to ship, so easier to buy local and pay more.
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I know in my field, Canadians have a different distribution/marketing system than we do in the states, with another layer of middleman that marks up accordingly. By which I mean "substantially".
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