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Old 11-17-2012, 02:16 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Then we need controls on non-productive financial manipulation*, just to level the playing field.

*Also known as vulture capitalism.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:14 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I guess the union was not as strong or manipulative as they thought. more time for meetings though....

When I was active as a union leader we had a saying Management get what management deserves....but sometimes unions get what they deserve.
I say, Let them eat Twinkies!
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:19 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Ah, didn't take long for the predictable Union bashing to begin. Did you also know that the CEO took a 300pc pay increase this year? 300 percent. But you're right, it's obviously the workers who are greedy.
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Edit: nine other top executives also took massive pay increases.
I didn't know that, I guess I have more research to do. If true, that is really f*cked up.
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I didn't know that, I guess I have more research to do. If true, that is really f*cked up.
You see Unkl, I do appreciate that you can admit to that. Really I do. I respect you greatly for this. The problem I see, is the reactionary union bashing. It is like people have been programmed to automaticly "blame the unions." Who are the unions? They are us, the working the class. Why don't people lay blame where it belongs, at the top, the 'leadership" of these companies? The CEO's claim they deserve and earn their high wages becasue "if you want good people you have to pay for it." Well how dd these "good people" kill a 2.5 billion dollar company? They were at the helm, how did it happen? I tell you something else, before somebody says "Well the unions did it." If unions had as much power as people claim they do, we'd never have to go out on strike and we'd have everything we ever wanted. We wouldn't out in the cold, on a picket line for a 2% per year wage increase or COLA (cost of living allowance.)

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It's strange that people keep blaming unions for our country's economic woes; union membership and union jobs have been declining for more than forty years, and in that same span middle class wages have stagnated while at the same time the incomes for CEOs and other top tier earners have skyrocketed. Unions didn't send manufacturing jobs overseas, corporate greed did.

Do you like having weekends off? Sick leave? Vacation time? A 40 hour week? Work safety regulations? Health standards? Thank unions. Then think about who benefits if we go back to the employers having all the power, and the workers none. Hey, you can always quit, right?
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CINCINNATI - Hostess Brands Inc. is permanently closing three bakeries following a nationwide strike by its bakers union, including its Butternut Bread bakery in Cincinnati.
The Texas-based maker of Twinkies and Ding Dongs says the strike has prevented it from producing and delivering products.
Hostess warned earlier this month that the strike, by about 30 percent of its workforce, could lead to bakery closures.
It said Monday that it will close bakeries in Seattle, St. Louis and Cincinnati that collectively employ 627 workers. The company has about 18,300 employees.
Thousands of members of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union went on strike earlier this month to protest wage and benefit cuts. Officials say the company stopped contributing to workers' pension last year. The union rejected the company's contract offer in September.
Butternut Bread Bakery employee Bernadine Moore said she is devastated to learn that she and her fellow 149 co-workers are out of work.
"I have spent 14 years here, everybody that works here is my family," she said. "I spent more time with them than I do my own family."
Butternut employee Kevin LeBlanc said the treatment is not fair.
"We gotta take care of our family. How are we supposed to do that if we don't know what's going on until the news comes and tells me," LeBlanc said. "Guess what, you don't have a job anymore. That's not fair."
Moore said she and other employees are facing the consequences of stepping outside to stand with picketers.
"We are not on strike we are honoring a strike," Moore said. "The company chose to lock us out."
Butternut employee Jason Houp said many people are hurting now.
"The pension is gone, it's gone. You've got guys with 25 years, 27 years," Houp said. "I've got 17 years into it. Guys with four months left to retire that's gone."
Workers said two weeks ago, their wages were cut 8 percent and health insurance went up.
"They had these concessions, our members rejected it by a 92 percent vote," International Representative for the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union John Price said. "Rather than come back to the table and get the contract fixed, they went to a bankruptcy judge and said go ahead and impose it on the bakery workers."
Hostess gave this statement:
"We have repeatedly explained that we will close facilities that are no longer able to produce and deliver products because of a work stoppage."
Moore said she is not happy about having to start the job search again .
"I guess I have to get out on the corner at the expressway and stand with a sign, and this is for real, I have just lost my job," Moore said.
Hostess said customers will not be affected by the closures. A spokesperson for Hostess Brands also released the following statement upon request by 9 News:
The company negotiated extensively with the BCTGM. The BCTGM was actively picketing at the plant. They were not locked out. In fact, we actively encouraged employees to cross the picket line and return to work to avoid this outcome.


Hey the unions had a right to refuse the agreement or concessions, but the companyhad every right to close up as well. and don't play unions as victims .....they tend to fair better with the labor board then companies a lot of the time. Me personally prefer to get a head on my own...I don't need a union to get a head.
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That's a nice sentiment. Probably wrong, but nice. Screw everyone else, right?

Why are you ok with the company axing the pensions people worked for for many years? Unilaterally cutting their pay while giving themselves massive pay hikes?
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And that's leaving aside the facts about wages I already mentioned, which union bashers ignore routinely.
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And according to that, 92 percent of workers voted AGAINST the companies proposals. So its hardly the union going against what people wanted, as they were accused of earlier in this thread...
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That's a nice sentiment. Probably wrong, but nice. Screw everyone else, right?

Why are you ok with the company axing the pensions people worked for for many years? Unilaterally cutting their pay while giving themselves massive pay hikes?

Are views are vastly different. First the company hired a management team good or bad and when they dissolved the company they had to approve the golden parachutes. As for what the union workers are entitled to...well the union was unable to negotiate a agreeable wage and benefit package. It was more advantagious to dissolve.
I am sorry owen but all too often when I worked as a union worker the one thing I saw over and over was dead weight getting a free ride..the hard work of some and they got to be carried along. Raises should be based on merit..not a socialistic hand out. But that might change over the next few years the way things are heading. Look at the US cabinet peppered with some of the highest level union leaders....that is not by chance.

I am going from personal experience of being on both sides of the fence. Like I said I do not need a union to get me anything . I am capable of doing that on my own.
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