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Old 11-17-2012, 07:16 AM   #41 (permalink)
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You can still get them in Canada: the licence is owned separately up here and production will continue - as will the production of Ding Dongs and Wonderbread.
I will have to make a beer run there and a Twinkie run as well...
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:17 AM   #42 (permalink)
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They made the decision to fold rather than capitulate or knuckle under to union demands. Now the the union can have even more meetings with all their free time.
Lee, I know that you are way smarter than that and just trying to make for lively discussion.
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Ah, didn't take long for the predictable Union bashing to begin. Did you also know that the CEO took a 300pc pay increase this year? 300 percent. But you're right, it's obviously the workers who are greedy.
Doesn't matter....over 90% of the workers wanted to take concessions and the union said no. So the workers got what they voted and paid for. You can't have a union unless the majority of workers vote for it here. Greed has nothing to do with it. They were offered two options. They chose unemployment. Simple really.
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Lee, I know that you are way smarter than that and just trying to make for lively discussion.
So the implication is that if you are not pro-union then you are not smart? I hardly doubt that.
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Lee, I know that you are way smarter than that and just trying to make for lively discussion.
It must be that.

the alternative is too ugly.

It isn't a pro or anti union opinion. It's an evaluation of the specific circumstances.

I've never been a union member, and I'm glad of that. I've seen some of the destructive influence of "organized" labor but contemporary management is forcing the genuine need for a resurgence of strong unions.
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So the implication is that if you are not pro-union then you are not smart? I hardly doubt that.
How does "how things work" make one pro or anti union?
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Buy the book "How to Gut a Company and Cash Out Big", it's on the bestsellers list.
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Joe before I got into the medical field I was a president of a local union in NJ. I know the BS that goes on and as such it helped me tremendously when I got into the medical field and into management.

Unions served a purpose back in the 30s and 40s when the federal goverment did not have a labor board, EEOC, OSHA and a plethora of other agencies. When production shifted out of the US and union memberships plummeted they focused there attentions on hospitals as a way to pick up a cash cow. I find their rhetoric to be exhausting BS.

If one wants to suceed they should look at progressing on their own merits and not riding on the coat tales of others. jmop
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Buy the book "How to Gut a Company and Cash Out Big", it's on the bestsellers list.
Well they were formed to make profit and not be raped by organized labor. With the federal goverment agencies the favor is already on the labor force and with certain politicians they further that by explioting union leadership to further their own means. Quid pro Quo....and don't even try to tell me that is not so....
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Joe before I got into the medical field I was a president of a local union in NJ. I know the BS that goes on and as such it helped me tremendously when I got into the medical field and into management.
....which is why I made the comment that I did. None of us were part of the board meetings or back room meetings, and therefore have no idea, other than what is presented by each side, as to what happened. Having been a fly on the wall in other cases, and without sharing any specifics, I can tell you that reality and what we are told often have nothing in common.

It's easy and currently popular to bash unions, but you know as well as I do that they hold no patent on greed and corruption.
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