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Old 01-14-2013, 03:50 PM   #71 (permalink)
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LMAO!!!

Honestly, I thought Nascars went about 230+ and F1 about 200 or so....I don't watch either of them unless I'm desperate.
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:56 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Before the infamous CART/IRL split in the early 2000s, CART cars were running in the mid to upper 250 mph laps at the Super Speedways. It's one of the reason they dropped Texas Motor Speedway from the schedule. When drivers went there to test, they were passing out from the tremendous downward G-forces on the banking.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:54 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Many years ago Road&Track did a comparison on one of the big oval tracks. They brought a top-level Nascar team and a Porsche LeMans spec prototype (sorry, can't remember what car it was) The idea was to see just want the top speeds were for each car in race trim and in a 'just go for it' setting.

The answer was surprising. Despite fitting a long low-drag tail, the Porsche fell behind in outright top speed. The Nascar boys simply applied some duct tape to cover every available opening other than a little flow for the radiator and went out and ran something like 230 mph, shocking everybody. There was a great quote in the article that went something like 'the chevy may look like a brick next to the Porsche, but it's a surprisingly aerodynamic brick'

The same is somewhat true of F1 cars. A few years back BAR took their car to Bonneville to see what top speed they could manage. This was in the V10 era, though the Honda motor wasn't the class of the field. They managed about 220 mph in a race-legal car. could they have gone faster? Certainly, if they ditched the wings. F1 cars are not low drag, quite the opposite actually. Those huge wings, even when trimmed to minimal downforce create huge drag.

Of course, none of this is really relavent to 'what's the faster race car' as they all involve non-racing conditions. Put any of these cars on an actual race track, something that requires more than simply going for top speed; that requires accelerating, braking, and turning, and I'll wager an F1 car will still come out ahead of any contemporary and by a wide margin. Of course, all of this is simply down to the sanctioning body's current set of rules. Much as I dislike nascar and like to poke fun at them, those 'good ol boys' are pretty darn good engineers. Give them a different set of requirements and rules to follow, and a few years to learn the new tech, and I don't doubt they could be competitive with F1 teams.
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Old 01-20-2013, 03:38 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Youse guys got something to be excited about. Blake Young will ride a Kwaka in all three rounds of the American GP's. Which one of youse has been slipping Ezzy a back hander?

http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/rider...r.cfm?did=3276

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/ro...ung-to-motogp/
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did not know Young is not going to be back this year. Is Yoshimura going to be back this year??
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Youse guys got something to be excited about. Blake Young will ride a Kwaka in all three rounds of the American GP's. Which one of youse has been slipping Ezzy a back hander?

http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/rider...r.cfm?did=3276

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/ro...ung-to-motogp/
Stanboli has been trying to move heaven & earth to get an American bike on the GP grid....I don't think his bike even competed at Laguna??

With Stoner gone, who will you be rooting for this year Boldor??
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I like quiet racer-only types. So no prizes for guessing whom I am going to be targeting with my childish hostility, well I won't need to really. He's making a tool of himself without any help from me. And I'll be surprised if my tele survives the reactions Marquez is likely to fire up in me. He is the new Golden Boy and once it is confirmed to Ezzy that Rossi is Yesterday's Hero, Marquez will have every advantage land in his lap at once from special ECU's to non-standard tyres. We saw it already in the 600's.




I like Bradl for no-nonsense racing. He is the most Stoneresque in the paddock.

I like Dani, he is pretty straight forwards too, and most deserving of a title.

Crutchlow is a fave, particularly 'cause he's a Lad, and he's English. But he kinda fcuked up accepting a ride on a Ducati. Now he is a factory rider; factory riders are no longer waiting in the wings on a lesser satellite bike - they MUST perform. I don't see it happening.

Despite his oafish attempts to emulate Ghey-balls there for a while, which nearly got him drowned in the circuit's dam at one point, I like Lorry too. He interviews well. I never get the feeling he's evading or bullschitting.

And I like your Benny. I just like him. But I can't see it coming together for him. Yamaha really did a number on him last year, but he's a good guy.


For the championship - I say Dani. Ezzy isn't going to fcuk with Repsol this year. He wants to see results from Marquez. Last year was a different story: Stoner really shoved it up Ezzy's nose so when the Bridgestones crippled the Repsol Hondas Ezzy wasn't going to let that little windfall blow by. It foiled Dani's run at the championship too - but no one would've beaten Casey had he been allowed to stay with the tyres that Honda originally built the bike for. Compulsorily changing the tyre formula mid season 2012 was a low, cruel and unprecedented act. Why would Stoner ever come back?
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Old 01-20-2013, 03:04 PM   #78 (permalink)
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I still like Rossi, the guy has such style on the bike, no matter what his superstar status is, he did really help to bring bike racing into a much more mainstream setting. He is simply so exciting to watch, from the charging-bull head-down stance, the leg-dangling that everyone now copies, even the huge ego, which I think all those guys have but maybe don't display to such an extent.

I like Spies similarly to what you describe...fairly quiet, great unique style, and when he digs deep he really digs hard...don't really see him doing much on a satellite Ducati though.

Crutchlow I like for different reasons....for all the poise & grace the other riders show, Cal looks the opposite, like he's just manhandling the bike around the track and barely hanging on for dear life.

I like Lorenzo, although I never used to....guy has matured as a racer and as a person.

Dovi...prolly the most under-rated guy out there.

Marmite...we'll have to see...should have a decent idea within the first 3-4 races.


Finally Stoner....yes, I can see him coming back. I give it two years - then the novelty of fatherhood will have worn off just enough for him to get the hankering back...'course, he might just end up being happy in the V8s.
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I was talking to a local racer at the bike show this weekend, and he told me all internet forums with passionate fans talking bike racing eventually devolve into the separation of those in the Rossi camp, and those in the Stoner camp. Two tribes who hate each other. Any truth to that?
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Unlikely. Stoner is gone - and for good. Rossi won't be there for much longer either.

But I know of the phenomenon to which you refer. The division is more about racing versus spectacle. If you like racing you supported Stoner. If you like hoopla and gheyballs antics, with a bit of fast riding in the background - you supported Rossi.
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