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D41 · 11-18-2012, 02:50 PM

Anyone else watching F1 at the new COTA track??....looks like it will make for an 'interesting' GP race next year.

steve betts · 11-18-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Boldor

Isn't that kinda exactly how Valencia went?

Not really. Lorenzo in particular suffered from his gamble on slicks. Pedrosa sacrificed his pole to gamble at the last minute, and (barely) managed to keep his rubber down. Guys were crashing out all over the place. That's a far cry from everyone going out on wets at the start and switching bikes if and when the track dries.

Boldor · 11-18-2012, 03:21 PM

So what would are you suggesting? Are you saying that once a race is declared wet you MUST start on wet-tyres? I don't understand what is different about you reckon should happen and what did happen.

steve betts · 11-19-2012, 01:13 AM

I'm not sure if what I'm suggesting is even a viable alternative, but it seems to me that racers are by nature born risk takers, and everybody knew IF the track dried out and you WEREN'T on slicks, you had no chance of winning IF your competitior WAS on slicks. So I was just wondering whether it might've been safer for everyone to be ordered by race officials to START on rain tires.

Boldor · 11-19-2012, 02:09 AM

Yeh I think your gunna have issues whatever the rules, cause what happens when someone gambles that it's gunna rain again, keeps the wets on, they go off (shred), now you have one rider slipping an sliding among others with nice new slicks.

BKK Jack · 11-19-2012, 08:10 AM

As has been stated, the real issue is that there is no, hmmmm, what's the work I'm looking for?...Intermediate, yeah THAT'S IT! There's no intermediate choice. Forcing them to run on either all the way wet, or all the way dry tires is just insanity.

steve betts · 11-19-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Boldor

Yeh I think your gunna have issues whatever the rules, cause what happens when someone gambles that it's gunna rain again, keeps the wets on, they go off (shred), now you have one rider slipping an sliding among others with nice new slicks.

You're probably right in that you can't take all the risk out of racing. But in the case of wets going off, it's a more predictable decline in traction so you could simply pit and get your slick bike at that point.

All I know is I watched a race in Valencia where arguably the best racer in the world, with no championship at stake, while overtaking a backmarker, lost control and highsided in a milisecond, flew about a hundred feet through the air, and landed on his head! He's lucky he didn't break his neck.

Boldor · 11-19-2012, 03:40 PM

Intermediates, wets, slicks - whatever. As soon as you have different riders on different equipment you have potential issues.

Having two formulas on the track at once is fcuken insane. One small reason Stoner left.

HAP · 11-19-2012, 04:30 PM

Yep. And the best rider, who made the best decision about which tires to use will probably win fair and square.

D41 · 11-19-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HAP

Yep. And the best rider, who made the best decision about which tires to use will probably win fair and square.

And in the Valencia race he did just that....not that I'm a fan of Pedrosa, but that was a major gamble he took switching his bike and starting from the pitlane and then ending up with the win.

Intermediates might be a good idea, they might not...personally I thought the conditions were the exception to the norm.
....And then what about the costs??...right now they've got wets, and slicks (in either a hard, medium, or soft compound)....you throw intermediates into the mix and there's another three compounds to consider at the very least, and a whole new set of rules for Dorna to implement regarding their use and regulation.

Wets & slicks works just fine for me.