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LEE · 11-10-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Thruxton-Texas

This is one of the better stated arguments in favor of the death penalty.

Let me pose a rhetorical question; how many of us who advocate for the death penalty would have the stomach to render the coup-de-gras? Keep in mind that the condemned is bound, helpless, crying, and sometimes soiling/wetting himself; a real horror show. What would this indicate about an individual who volunteered for the duty twice? Food for thought. .................James.

Yes Thrux you make a great point...body fluids are of a concern...I suggest complete protection from contamination. a dirty sock shoved in his mouth and what ever is needed to get the job done.....I really could give a turd about anything he would have to say...or we can just call him a child molester and turn him lose in general poplualtion either one works for me....
As for the individual ...well someone who can see that this is not a human being but a piece of garbage needing termination...I for one have no problem with it...

PopPop · 11-10-2012, 12:06 PM

iBALEE: Child molester? you may have something there. At the very least, his sore bung would take his mind off of the tepid coffee

Thruxton-Texas · 11-10-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IBALEE

Yes Thrux you make a great point...body fluids are of a concern...I suggest complete protection from contamination. a dirty sock shoved in his mouth and what ever is needed to get the job done.....I really could give a turd about anything he would have to say...or we can just call him a child molester and turn him lose in general population either one works for me....
As for the individual ...well someone who can see that this is not a human being but a piece of garbage needing termination...I for one have no problem with it...

I share your outrage about Breivik's horrific crimes. I also understand your need to blow off some steam; if it had been up to me, they would have hanged him on the courthouse lawn. Executions are sometimes a necessary evil, but they should be quick and merciful, like flushing the toilet after your poop-de-jure. Anything else is like digging the waste out of the bowl to play with it first.

Yes, under certain circumstances, I'd render the coup-de-gras; but there's not enough Nazi in me to enjoy it. And for all your rhetoric, I don't think there's enough in you either. ..........James.

lam@ratf · 11-10-2012, 12:58 PM

Regarding the death penalty imo the question isn't do they deserve it (don't care about them) but rather what does enforcement do to the rest of us?

There's an author (Robert J Sawyer) that described a society in which there was no death penalty. They don't have punishment but consequence. It's not about teaching someone what they've done wrong since they had the same chance to learn that everyone does. Instead it's about "fixing" the problem.

For the commission of physical violence against another person the consequence is sterilisation for the person that did it and everyone that shares 50 percent or more of their genetic material. Parents, children, siblings. Cleaning the gene pool.

Silverado57 · 11-10-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thruxton-Texas

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Let me pose a rhetorical question; how many of us who advocate for the death penalty would have the stomach to render the coup-de-gras? Keep in mind that the condemned is bound, helpless, crying, and sometimes soiling/wetting himself; a real horror show. What would this indicate about an individual who volunteered for the duty twice? Food for thought. .................James.

Heaven forbid, no!

There are already folks employed in the execution business. Me volunteering to eliminate every imprisoned miscreant might put someone else on the already lengthy unemployment line. Then the hangman might also snap, and go on his own killing rampage. Best to leave the killing of condemned criminals to the professionals, or their cell mates.

zyhano · 11-10-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dogtired

Looks to me like he did what a lot of people secretly dream of doing, but will never admit to it.

There are plenty of people I would like to shoot.

try to become the next US president. You'll get a get out of jail card for free. while you'll be able to kill a lot of people at the same time...

an earlier post with very flawed logic and a double morale about assad ticked me off. nothing compared to the 100.000 ds of iraqis during Gw2...Oh i forgot, they had womd because george said so...

on topic:
breivik should shut the f up. loser. horrible crime by a psychopath. who cares about his moaning?

Be offended about crimes with a nations legal backing, much worse. oh wait, congress never approved did they? make that illegal then

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zyhano · 11-10-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lam@ratf

Regarding the death penalty imo the question isn't do they deserve it (don't care about them) but rather what does enforcement do to the rest of us?

There's an author (Robert J Sawyer) that described a society in which there was no death penalty. They don't have punishment but consequence. It's not about teaching someone what they've done wrong since they had the same chance to learn that everyone does. Instead it's about "fixing" the problem.

For the commission of physical violence against another person the consequence is sterilisation for the person that did it and everyone that shares 50 percent or more of their genetic material. Parents, children, siblings. Cleaning the gene pool.

this cleaning has already been tried in recent times. bad idea

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HAP · 11-10-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zyhano

try to become the next US president. You'll get a get out of jail card for free. while you'll be able to kill a lot of people at the same time...

an earlier post with very flawed logic and a double morale about assad ticked me off. nothing compared to the 100.000 ds of iraqis during Gw2...Oh i forgot, they had womd because george said so...

on topic:
breivik should shut the f up. loser. horrible crime by a psychopath. who cares about his moaning?

Be offended about crimes with a nations legal backing, much worse. oh wait, congress never approved did they? make that illegal then

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Glad it ticked you off. You saying George killed 100k Iragi? You need to study a bit about Sunni and Shia and who killed who.Oh by the by Saddam killed 377k of his own folks and 500k Iranians. George had nothing to do with that.

Is it better a leader today kills 38k of his own folk and gets away with it and yet we must sentence a killer of 77 and wounding of many more to only 25 years in jail?

zyhano · 11-10-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HAP

Glad it ticked you off. You saying George killed 100k Iragi? You need to study a bit about Sunni and Shia and who killed who.Oh by the by Saddam killed 377k of his own folks and 500k Iranians. George had nothing to do with that.

but he did order 60.000 bombs to be dropped. and whise weapons were used against the iranians?

your reasoning is in line with utilitarianism, a philosophical stream.

but you're missing the point. I agree with your point about Assad vs breivik and that Saddam was bad. but in response to your statement about hypocrisy, let's just take it to the next logical step up in the scale and put some war presidents away for life.

and its not about shia and sunni alone. christianity was used as an excuse to kill a lot of people long begofore the dichotomy in islam. and continues in this present day.

so please be careful when talking about hypocrisy.

why are you glad it ticked me off btw?

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DaveM · 11-10-2012, 04:04 PM

Mmmmmm hello peeps what was the OP question again?

Somewhat drifting.....................