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PopPop

Well, yes, I do have fire arms and consider self defense to be a completely different matter. My comment referred to retribution, executing someone who is securely in detention.

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saphena

What we as individual human beings do is one thing: I will unhesitatingly kill an attacker to ensure my own survival and I might even kill a surviving attacker after the event if he upset me enough.

Having the death penalty available as a legal remedy is a completely different matter. By definition it takes place in cold blood and the rules governing it are decided by politicians. I can't think of a scarier prospect than giving some politician power over life and death.

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LoVel

Sounds like a good reason not to commit any crimes you could be executed for.

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spank86

If only it worked like that LoVel, most studies of the death penalty don't show that it has much in the way of deterrent value.

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LoVel

I put my smiley. You weren't supposed to take me too seriously.

I don't believe anything is much of a deterrent to someone who would kill for something other than self defense.

(money, jealousy, money)

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steve betts

I'll give you a scarier prospect - letting the victims of violent crimes decide on the punishment. There's a reason why the lady in the justice statue with the scales is blindfolded.

lam@ratf

People hear about the unusual instance where a grieving father avenges his injured or deceased child. What is seldom mentioned (because it doesn't sell papers or drive tv ratings) are the daily incidents of victims and/or their families not crying out for the perpetrator's blood. These are people to whom life without parole or even 25 to life is enough. They have been directly affected by the actions of the perpetrator and find that it's not like tv. They just want it to be over, to re-claim their lives and feel safe again.

Self-defence is one thing but a decision, considered and made in 'cold blood', is very different. Unlike the criminal, the murderer most people faced with the reality don't want to see someone's blood.

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steve betts

What you said is true. However Saph's original post was about how in a liberal society, a psychopathic mass murderer is given air time for frivolous complaints about his mistreatment in custody. I would argue that the victims and family members who may not be crying out for his blood, are at very least wishing he was silenced.

Somewhere between medieval torture and the ridiculous attention given to the narcissistic whining of a deranged psychopath, lies justice.

spank86

I think it's more that in a free society the media isn't restricted in what it can report and in our society people like that sell papers no matter what they are saying.

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