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Old 11-14-2012, 09:26 AM   #171 (permalink)
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I'd murder the bastard, and face the consequences. That would be my decision. I wouldn't want the government to do it for me.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:30 AM   #172 (permalink)
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I'd murder the bastard, and face the consequences. That would be my decision. I wouldn't want the government to do it for me.
Me TOO! for sure!
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:35 AM   #173 (permalink)
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I was all for the death penalty until I was in a jury pool for a murder case and was asked if I could sentence the man to death. Kinda makes you stop and think.

The person currently under discussion. I could do it myself.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:43 AM   #174 (permalink)
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I was all for the death penalty until I was in a jury pool for a murder case and was asked if I could sentence the man to death. Kinda makes you stop and think.

The person currently under discussion. I could do it myself.
I was on a jury just like that.
And I have and will again, If asked too make that decision to sentence a Man to Death. I didn't take it lightly and would not take it lightly in the future.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:34 AM   #175 (permalink)
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If you want someone to read a book, why not make a compelling case why it's not just horse manure? Especially when the claims made are so vastly counter to actual genetics? If there was a good argument regarding that, why not summarize it and defend the argument rather than just resorting to condescension and telling people to read the book, an expense and effort none should be expected to make purely on your words and the representation of its argument made here? I'm not made of time and money, I need a better reason than what you've given to take an argument seriously and engage it beyond how you've represented it.

I'm not highly concerned with whether or not you respond. Perhaps it's been enough of a sidetrack to leave it be as it is anyway.
Thank you for you courteous and considered comment. I'm not advocating this book or it's ideas but simply saying I found some elements to be thought-provoking. I won't make a case that it's not just 'horse manure' because I don't know that to be true. I don't believe there is any 'hard science' in that book nor am I aware or any hard science put forward by that author in any publication. I am not advocating genetic social surgery. I am more interested in people's views on accountability.

I didn't intend any condescension toward anyone but I was refusing to be drawn into an ambush argument by someone(s) I read as replying in a combative, screaming, knee-jerk verbal wrestling match kind of way. I find the style and intensity of those responses uncivil and offensive but interesting in their possible motivations.

I'm putting out a piece of information. If some one finds it interesting and chooses to look at the book in a book store and/or read the book then come back to talk about it, fine. If not, fine. I'm not putting a gun to any one's head and demanding that they look at or even consider looking at any book. I read constantly and sometimes I forget that other people don't read simply because something is, even momentarily, interesting but instead find it to be work and an expense rather than a gain.

It's called conversation and/or discussion because the participants recognise that there are two or more points of view and the purpose is to exchange information rather than to out-shout each other in verbal rock throwing. I enjoy civil discourse but detest bullies.

Thank you. I appreciate that this segment has become talking about talking and I find that disappointing. I feel I've explained enough so I don't plan on posting again in this thread.
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I can ALMOST understand the death penalty in a case like Breivik, as he's admitted to it, there's absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind he did it, there's no chance at all that he didn't. The problem is when the case is not so clear. Remember, we aren't even supposed to send anyone to JAIL if there's any doubt whatsoever about their guilt. Therefore, technically, the justice system believes 100% that every single person in jail is guilty. BUT, that's not always the case, and that's why we have the appeals process. But with the death penalty, the appeals process is limited. Yes, they get many chances at appeal, but the moment the poison is injected into their vein, they lose that chance, however remote, that the justice system might be wrong. And, in my opinion, even if they kill a million evil men like Breivik, all they have to do is kill ONE innocent person to render the whole system absolutely and utterly immoral. And I don't think society should take that chance.
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here is the way that I have to look at this guy.
If he killed everyone in your family which equaled 77 people.
Mother,Father,Grandma.GrandPa,Brothers,Sisters,Wif e,husband,Sons,Daughters,cousions,ect,ect.
what would You do?
What would You Do?
And the varied answers you'll get to that question is the reason why its important that the victims families dont get an official input in the sentencing. It's also why crime and punishment should be looked at in generalities not specific cases when makeing laws.

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I didn't intend any condescension toward anyone but I was refusing to be drawn into an ambush argument by someone(s) I read as replying in a combative, screaming, knee-jerk verbal wrestling match kind of way. I find the style and intensity of those responses uncivil and offensive but interesting in their possible motivations.
If you got that impression from something I posted then I'm sorry, but you misunderstood. I was merely attempting to explain why its a bad idea on a genetic level (the bananas comment was specifically chosen because they are so lacking in diversity on a genetic level due to culling of undesireable strains).
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:06 AM   #178 (permalink)
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The Norwegian convicted of the massacre of 77 people last year has said he is being held in "inhumane" conditions.

Anders Behring Breivik complained in a letter to the prison service that his coffee is served cold, he does not have enough butter for his bread, and he is not allowed moisturiser.

In the letter, he complains that the cell is poorly decorated and has no view. "I highly doubt that there are worse detention facilities in Norway," he writes.
Among his other complaints are:
  • the handcuffs he wears when being moved around the prison "are too sharp and "cut in his wrist"
  • the cell is too cold, forcing him to wear three layers of clothes
  • he has to rush his morning shave and brushing of teeth
  • light and television switches are outside the cell, so he has to ask for help to change channel or sleep.
I would get my Mother in Law to decorate his cell and then he would kill himself. Problem solved.
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Capital punishment is a form of retribution and doesn't serve any purpose other than prove that we can't control anyones life before they commit a crime but that we can after they have. Seems like vengance to me. I wouldn't be able to put anyone to death, I just can't imagine any circumstances when I would be able to do this.
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I wouldn't be able to put anyone to death, I just can't imagine any circumstances when I would be able to do this.
You keep that in mind if someone breaks into Your home while You and Your Family sleeping!
I think it is a mindset that could get You killed!
I'm not putting You down for that, It's just scary to me.
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