Hard core jail time - Page 12 - Triumph Forum: Triumph Rat Motorcycle Forums

Biker Hang-Out The Biker Cafe' at the end of the Universe. C'mon in, we talk everything about motorcycles on Earth and beyond.


Sponsored by: Motorcycle Accessory Discount Superstore

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #111 of 221 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 09:35 PM
Lifetime Premium
Site Supporter
Team Owner
Main Motorcycle: Bonneville SE
 
PopPop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota
Posts: 5,042
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxynoodle View Post
Well, that's part of the problem: they have to let them out because it costs too much to keep them all in

Instead of keeping some of these "humans" on death row for 40 years, that money could probably be better put to use on programs and education for at risk youth or something. Nothing can fix certain murderers, but maybe some of the gang violence murders and assaults would be reduced.
I believe it costs more to litigate capital appeals than it does to keep them in jail for life.


Sent from my iPhone

Yes, I am as big a pain in the ass in person as I seem to be on line.
PopPop is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #112 of 221 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 09:39 PM
LEE
Banned
Site Supporter
Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 10,017
Quote:
Originally Posted by PopPop View Post
I believe it costs more to litigate capital appeals than it does to keep them in jail for life.


Sent from my iPhone
POP your parially right it cost more to litigate a death penalty and it cost more to house a death row inmate as well. Then the endless appeals.....
LEE is offline  
post #113 of 221 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 09:40 PM
Senior Member
Legend
Main Motorcycle: KTM Duke 690
 
Boldor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Newcastle, Australia
Posts: 11,171
Other Motorcycle: '95 Speedie & '82 CB750
Extra Motorcycle: RGV250 Trackie
Quote:
Originally Posted by spank86 View Post
IMHO the death penalty is more like bleach than antibiotics, or if it is like antibiotics then we are all bacteria not just the killers.

Using that as an analogy it does exactly the same as antibiotics, removes those that are susceptible to it leaving you with a pool of individuals without the traits that caused death.
Are you of the understanding that antibiotics just kill the bad guys?

"By looking at the difference between perceived danger and actual danger, you can fundamentally change your reaction." Chris Hadfield.
Boldor is offline  
post #114 of 221 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 09:43 PM
LEE
Banned
Site Supporter
Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 10,017
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boldor View Post
Are you of the understanding that antibiotics just kill the bad guys?
That could be the case if they have allerties .....
LEE is offline  
post #115 of 221 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 09:46 PM
Lifetime Premium
Site Supporter
Team Owner
Main Motorcycle: Bonneville SE
 
PopPop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota
Posts: 5,042
There are a lot of bacteria that my life depends on. Many of them are up my butt.


Sent from my iPhone

Yes, I am as big a pain in the ass in person as I seem to be on line.
PopPop is offline  
post #116 of 221 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 09:47 PM
Senior Member
Legend
Main Motorcycle: KTM Duke 690
 
Boldor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Newcastle, Australia
Posts: 11,171
Other Motorcycle: '95 Speedie & '82 CB750
Extra Motorcycle: RGV250 Trackie
Not sure what you mean Lee.

The name anti-biotic is aptly chosen. It kills a portion of all bacteria, helpful AND harmful!

"By looking at the difference between perceived danger and actual danger, you can fundamentally change your reaction." Chris Hadfield.
Boldor is offline  
post #117 of 221 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 09:53 PM
Senior Member
Powerbike
Main Motorcycle: 2010 Mag Bonneville
 
lam@ratf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: in the '16 OTA w/ the crappiest weather in decades
Posts: 355
Other Motorcycle: 2013 Suzuki TU250XL3
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxynoodle View Post
Trust me, they don't care.
And I don't care about them I care about us. I care about us enough to not want us to turn into them.

I don't need to be told they don't care. I grew up in a house at the mercy of someone that grew up into a violent career criminal. I know very well about how much they don't care. I also know that I resent how much of my life has been wasted getting past the damage done to me in that house.

They waste so much of other peoples resources dealing with them and with the aftermath of their acts. I would like us to find the best way to remove them from the means to do any more damage (except maybe each other) and then not have to think about them at all.

They're toxic. I don't care about them but I do care about the ongoing damage I see done to us. People are afraid to let their children play outside. People are afraid to walk anywhere, even from the car to a building well within site. etc.

And by the way it costs more to have someone on death row filing endless appeals than to just lock them up without parole.

Physics always wins
. . . . so get that helmet cam!
2013 Suzuki TU250XL3 - mods in progress / 2010 Triumph Bonneville - miles adding up
2009 Suzuki TU250XK9 - KBC Sep 2013 / 2001 Honda Rebel - KBC Mar 2010
lam@ratf is offline  
post #118 of 221 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 10:03 PM
LEE
Banned
Site Supporter
Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 10,017
Quote:
Originally Posted by PopPop View Post
There are a lot of bacteria that my life depends on. Many of them are up my butt.


Sent from my iPhone

TMI... and that is flora....
LEE is offline  
post #119 of 221 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 10:04 PM
Senior Member
Legend
Main Motorcycle: 72 Bonneville T120RV
 
triumpt120rv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 10,890
Quote:
Originally Posted by PopPop View Post
There are a lot of bacteria that my life depends on. Many of them are up my butt.


Sent from my iPhone
When Breivik's 500lb Norwegian cell mate Bubba tells him: I'm going to "back tear ya till your life depends on it", I think he is referring to the same area of the body as well.

P.S. For the record, I take no sides in this "debate". Just providing a momentary distraction so you guys can gather your thoughts, grab a beer or take a pee and then continue.
triumpt120rv is offline  
post #120 of 221 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 10:45 PM
Senior Member
SuperBike
Main Motorcycle: '06 Speed Triple
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: NorCal
Posts: 1,748
Other Motorcycle: '96 Adventurer Cafe Racer
Extra Motorcycle: Not any more
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxynoodle View Post
I am in favor of the death penalty because if your crime is so heinous that you could never be trusted in society again, I don't want to help pay to keep you alive at a cost of possibly millions per prisoner.

And why do they deserve better treatment than their victims?

If it is known without a doubt the person committed said heinous acts, I don't have a problem with it at all.

I'm not necessarily talking about all murderers. The woman who shot her two sons who were dying of Huntington's and suffering horribly is not the same as a serial killer or mass murderer IMO. It is very unlikely she will ever do it again, and did it out of mercy. A psychopath is always going to do it again (and enjoy it).
Roxy, one of the problems I have with the death penalty is that it cost MORE, far more, than simple life without parole.

The state accounting office here in CA determined as part of the prop. that would have eliminated our death penalty that the cost savings would be approximately $100,000,000 per year.

And I don't believe the risk of a murderer committing the crime again is substantially higher if he's locked up in solitary for the rest of his life.

As I said in my earlier post, I don't have a problem with the death penalty on moral grounds; the death of a killer does not cause me to loose sleep. I do however believe there are better ways to deal with these criminals.

Don
'06 Speed Triple
'96 Adventurer Cafe Racer
and a bunch of other stuff
If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough - Mario Andretti
zelatore is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options
All posts must adhere to Forum Rules

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Triumph Forum: Triumph Rat Motorcycle Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter your valid email address, that can receive an automated confirmation message. Otherwise, you won't be able to gain full access.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hard core riding saphena Biker Hang-Out 18 11-09-2012 06:46 AM
What Makes A Hard Core Rider? LEE Biker Hang-Out 66 10-11-2012 10:04 PM
The Real hard core bikers dwr302 Biker Hang-Out 15 11-20-2011 05:48 PM
Hard Core mistermellow001 Biker Hang-Out 19 01-07-2008 09:47 PM
Hard Core Riders Silverado57 Biker Hang-Out 11 04-04-2007 04:41 PM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome