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PopPop · 11-11-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by roxynoodle

Well, that's part of the problem: they have to let them out because it costs too much to keep them all in

Instead of keeping some of these "humans" on death row for 40 years, that money could probably be better put to use on programs and education for at risk youth or something. Nothing can fix certain murderers, but maybe some of the gang violence murders and assaults would be reduced.

I believe it costs more to litigate capital appeals than it does to keep them in jail for life.

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LEE · 11-11-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PopPop

I believe it costs more to litigate capital appeals than it does to keep them in jail for life.

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POP your parially right it cost more to litigate a death penalty and it cost more to house a death row inmate as well. Then the endless appeals.....

Boldor · 11-11-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by spank86

IMHO the death penalty is more like bleach than antibiotics, or if it is like antibiotics then we are all bacteria not just the killers.

Using that as an analogy it does exactly the same as antibiotics, removes those that are susceptible to it leaving you with a pool of individuals without the traits that caused death.

Are you of the understanding that antibiotics just kill the bad guys?

LEE · 11-11-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Boldor

Are you of the understanding that antibiotics just kill the bad guys?

That could be the case if they have allerties .....

PopPop · 11-11-2012, 09:46 PM

There are a lot of bacteria that my life depends on. Many of them are up my butt.

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Boldor · 11-11-2012, 09:47 PM

Not sure what you mean Lee.

The name anti-biotic is aptly chosen. It kills a portion of all bacteria, helpful AND harmful!

lam@ratf · 11-11-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by roxynoodle

Trust me, they don't care.

And I don't care about them I care about us. I care about us enough to not want us to turn into them.

I don't need to be told they don't care. I grew up in a house at the mercy of someone that grew up into a violent career criminal. I know very well about how much they don't care. I also know that I resent how much of my life has been wasted getting past the damage done to me in that house.

They waste so much of other peoples resources dealing with them and with the aftermath of their acts. I would like us to find the best way to remove them from the means to do any more damage (except maybe each other) and then not have to think about them at all.

They're toxic. I don't care about them but I do care about the ongoing damage I see done to us. People are afraid to let their children play outside. People are afraid to walk anywhere, even from the car to a building well within site. etc.

And by the way it costs more to have someone on death row filing endless appeals than to just lock them up without parole.

LEE · 11-11-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PopPop

There are a lot of bacteria that my life depends on. Many of them are up my butt.

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TMI...

and that is flora....

triumpt120rv · 11-11-2012, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PopPop

There are a lot of bacteria that my life depends on. Many of them are up my butt.

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When Breivik's 500lb Norwegian cell mate Bubba tells him: I'm going to "back tear ya till your life depends on it", I think he is referring to the same area of the body as well.

P.S. For the record, I take no sides in this "debate". Just providing a momentary distraction so you guys can gather your thoughts, grab a beer or take a pee and then continue.

zelatore · 11-11-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by roxynoodle

I am in favor of the death penalty because if your crime is so heinous that you could never be trusted in society again, I don't want to help pay to keep you alive at a cost of possibly millions per prisoner.

And why do they deserve better treatment than their victims?

If it is known without a doubt the person committed said heinous acts, I don't have a problem with it at all.

I'm not necessarily talking about all murderers. The woman who shot her two sons who were dying of Huntington's and suffering horribly is not the same as a serial killer or mass murderer IMO. It is very unlikely she will ever do it again, and did it out of mercy. A psychopath is always going to do it again (and enjoy it).

Roxy, one of the problems I have with the death penalty is that it cost MORE, far more, than simple life without parole.

The state accounting office here in CA determined as part of the prop. that would have eliminated our death penalty that the cost savings would be approximately $100,000,000 per year.

And I don't believe the risk of a murderer committing the crime again is substantially higher if he's locked up in solitary for the rest of his life.

As I said in my earlier post, I don't have a problem with the death penalty on moral grounds; the death of a killer does not cause me to loose sleep. I do however believe there are better ways to deal with these criminals.