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Old 11-06-2012, 03:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Strokes - Was the world a better place when we had a choice?

So this is the opening thread for the final showdown. Engineers and energy consultants around the globe are hanging on the edges of their seats to know the results of this oh-so important debate.

In the Red Corner (cause red is faster) we have the defenders of the mighty Two Stroke. A piece of engineering whose beauty comes from its sheer simplicity and explosive power. Those arguing the case for the beautiful Toohey do not look down upon the complicated and tedious Four Stroke - we can appreciate its worth - we are merely arguing that the Two Stroke was a most worthy piece of machinery and should not have been killed off by politics (and whatever else brought about its demise).

Over there in the Blue/Green Corner we have the narrow minded laymen who fell for the environmental arguments and believe they were a worthy platform from which to launch an attack at the Toohey. Their main spokesman is HAP - good luck - HAP is confused about the difference between a two-stoke and a steam engine. And if you pull him up on it he calls you nit-picking. And they argue that the world only needs the Four Stroke for their minds are not broad enough to cope with choice.


Don't forget to keep your colours flying men. Fight hard and valiantly. No biting, gouging, scratching or any other nasty underhanded techniques. And stay awake HAP.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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So which topic do you want to open with HAP.

Racing
Efficiency
Greenness
Sheer Riding Pleasure
Complexity
Power to Weight

You let me know Dear Codge.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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bugger Hap, I choose... safety

Blue smoke saves lives!

oh and air freshness.

If they made air freshener in burnt Castrol Super TT fragrance I'd buy it.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Wheezing Aerial Arrows, putting along whilst spuing out tons of blue smoke and dripping ghastly gobs of unburnt smelly black oil out of their ugly silencers? Mmm, and you think that is a good thing?

OK, here's a nice 2-stroke:
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Dave, this is a serious debate. If you cannot restrict yourself to real facts, please wait at the side until the pie fight begins. While you are waiting, you might like to tune your bike - it seems to be running poorly.
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Mmm, and you think that is a good thing?
yeah of course it is.

Smoke clouds are highly visible to other road users, it reduces the need for expensive hi-vis gear, running with headlight on etc.

The smell alerts blind drivers who may miss the smoke to your presence and the bikes have self lubricating exhausts which reduces the number of exhausts that have to be replaced from rusting out (and thus lowers the waste of natural resources).

Wins all round as far as I can see.
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:11 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Thank god my blood sugar fell so early this morning. I might have missed this historic debate between the whiz bang tech boys of the 21st century and the lost generation of the old, has been 20th century.

It is hard to type as the tears of mirth are blinding me.

Two strokes. Those unbelievable torque monsters that came along and ruined the 4 stroke, European dominance of motorcycle racing. Every red blooded young guy in the 1970s riding a 250 Honda scrambler dumped the thing in the lake when smitten by the 2 stroke bug. Even mighty Honda abandoned the little 4 stroke bikes and jumped head long into the mystical world of 2 strokes. They were fast, they scared the crap out of half the members on this forum. They were hard to tune.They spewed poison into the air that smelt so good you were pleased to be being killed by it.

Alas, technology rushes forward. The mighty 2 stroke wouldn't, couldn't keep up with the changing tides of those chanting "stop ruining our planet". So, as every old steam engined, antiquated motorcycle must do, it became the icon of the newer generation who lam blasted everything old whilst secretly pining for it. Jealous of those who lived in era of the monstrous power of the two strokes they pay big bucks to have one hidden away in their bed room closets whilst picketing the older generation for having polluted the earth.
Hypocrisy of the highest order, the young high tech boys pushing the universe into the 21st century whilst dragging the 75 year old farm tractors and smoking bees in a tin can motorcycles along as their red badge of courage. (means you are not old enough to have enjoyed the entire history of the 2 stroker and feel sorry for yourself)

I feel much relieved knowing that sanity has prevailed and the world will survive now that those nasty 2 strokes have been put down.
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I Hate 2 strokes. So does Me Missus.
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Noisey, dirty and fast (like me ex). What more does a real man want?
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