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Old 11-06-2012, 09:27 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Four Strokes are great but there has to be something else too.

1. Because if they were revived, modern technology would allow them to be completely new machines. Cburt and Throttlejockey (and sp115 apparently) have already touched on this.

2. Well there is the political bit. Who know's what goes on really? It is hard to even guess. This is the bit I originally claimed could fill a thread or indeed an entire website on its own. To go much further you have to conceded that world governments make their decisions in our best interests. So we're fcuked before we start. I don't rule out the possibility of many better options of internal combustion that have been shelved by petrochemical companies - the ceramic engines are the ones that I find the most curious. Where did they go? To understand this topic with any real depth, you need an insight into the machinations between petrochemical companies, governments and how laws are made. I honestly don't have a clue, but it seem awfully weird that technology has leapt from strength to strength - allowed us to meet each other - but it is a revamped and polished version of the good old T-model Ford that is still essentially the technology we use for private transport. THAT doesn't add up.

3. Two strokes are not noisy compared to highly tuned fours. Have you heard Lorenzo's bike in the flesh. I guarantee that if you have stood next to it and revved the Christ out of it, without hearing protection, you're not gunna hear much else this lifetime.

4. They are not just around the corner, that is my gripe. They're squashed under a weight of political correctness.
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3. Two strokes are not noisy compared to highly tuned fours. Have you heard Lorenzo's bike in the flesh. I guarantee that if you have stood next to it and revved the Christ out of it, without hearing protection, you're not gunna hear much else this lifetime.
This is true. The first year at the Indy GP Schwantz was doing some flying laps on his old 500cc Suzuki. It was whisper quite compared to the four-stroke MotoGP bikes.
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It was my understanding we weren't just talking about race bikes here but the whole shabang of models.
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Memory is vague, and I give the magazines away to my riding buddy, but I believe that Bike magazine made recent mention of some small two-stroke European--maybe Italian--street bikes. Aprilia?
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3. Please describe how motocross, superbike and or GP would be better off with a 2 stroke race series when noise controls are now threatening a lot of existing tracks with closure.
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It was my understanding we weren't just talking about race bikes here but the whole shabang of models.

You can be as slippery as an eel HAP. Luckily I have a (usually) sharp memory that gaff your eely ways. I was answering your third point when I mentioned Lorenzo's machine. Your third point was about racing, noise and consequential track closures.

[It's a "shebang". She-Bang is easy to remember even for an old Dog]
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[It's a "shebang". She-Bang is easy to remember even for an old Dog]
not a charabanc?
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Wow - Cool word! This is the charabanc I liked best after doing a Google. A mobile theatrette, that pops awesome wheelies.

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Wow - Cool word! This is the charabanc I liked best after doing a Google. A mobile theatrette, that pops awesome wheelies.

"charabanc", easily a winner in the ADD category. "Squirrel" was the Dog's downfall. Shabang is much less chauvinistic than SHEbang.

As usual with any difference of opinion between us BO, you end up bringing in a bunch of paid "observers in a tilt top truck" to try and sway the verdict. Well, I have had my stroke and am thankful for government intervention in this case. By passing stringent anti pollution and noise laws, the government has effectively saved me from the dreaded two stroke.

I will not miss the two stroke at all. Mach 1 and Mach 2, X6 and maybe a dozen other fast, nasty 2 stroke girls in my past. All dead and buried where they belong. Only charlatans promise to bring back the dead.
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An actual well running, sorted out 1997 V-DUE from Bimito. Chap in England bought it from the bankrupt company and had local experts fix the factory problems. Swears it is the most fantastic, problem free bike ever. For my upside down buddy Boldor.
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