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Old 11-06-2012, 03:36 PM   #31 (permalink)
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2 strokes are live and well in the outboard motor industry.
I have a new 75 HP Mercury Opti- Max that's cleaner burning and effecient than the compair able 4 stroke.
Gets better fuel economy and is fuel injected.
Not sure why they haven't started building them for the auto industry frankly.

This is pretty much the sum total of my opinion too Burt. There is more detail to cover, but that's the crux of it.

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I like both.

RG & RZ? Or 2 & 4?

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As far as the environmental concerns, I think it just goes to show the stupidity and narrow-mindedness of your typical person. They see smoke and smell exhaust, so therefore, two-strokes must pollute more. Let's not consider the extra cost in energy and raw materials to make all of the extra parts for the four.

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I like both, but let's look at the racing aspect of it.
In 2002, MotoGP replaced 500 cc class, allowing 990cc four-strokes to race alongside 500 cc two-strokes and they trounced the two-strokes. It made zero sense to continue to develop the two-stroke.
I'm not sure of the exact year, and don't feel like looking it up, but back in the 90s 4-stroke motocross bikes began beating two-strokes as well. Why continue to develop something that isn't winning?
Joe, this is just pure silliness Mate. I am holding back on how ludicrous I think this is. You are comparing two entirely different bikes of entirely differing capacities made under two entirely differing formula. Of course the 2-strokes were going to loose - that's the way it was fcuken designed! The phase change was a token gesture to allow the poorer teams to runs their two strokes a little longer so the grid did not empty immediately and cost Ezzie his income. The phasing out also appealed to Green punters because they could apply completely erroneous logic to justify the bogus environmental changes; "and they trounced the two-strokes."

Just about everybody grizzles about the Race Train called MotoGP. Ironically, it doesn't bother me, I enjoy the pit politics just as much as the race. But my personal likes aren't relevant - what IS claimed to be relevant is selling seats at the spectacle. And apparently excitement sells seats. Remember this?

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Old 11-06-2012, 03:42 PM   #32 (permalink)
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HAP, the problem with your argument is that 4strokes are the older technology that's been dragged back into the limelight by greenies with an agenda but no real understanding of the inns and outs of things, two strokes are the newer technology so 4stroke=steam engine.

Spank kinda has you pinned there HAP. You yourself said earlier that the 2-strokes (newer technology) came alone and all the kids threw their schitheap four strokes in the dam.

Whatever the case HAP, the adjudicators have awarded you 5 bonus points on account of you using a pasted link. Then they subtracted 4 when they realised it was to Yahoo Answers.
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Boldors got a point, 900cc was chosen specifically because that's what was needed to make the four strokes just enough better than the twos so saying they were better is pointless, if only 800 had been needed that's what they would have been. It says more that they almost had to double the capacity to be competitive.
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RG & RZ? Or 2 & 4?
All of the above.

The RG500 Gamma sets my heart a-flutterin' and I like Yammie's two-strokes, too.

Both two- and four-stroke engines have their good and bad points. I like bikes too much to be able to choose one over the other.
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Both two- and four-stroke engines have their good and bad points. I like bikes too much to be able to choose one over the other.
The point of the debate was not which is BEST, but should we be allowed to have the choice.

I am recording that even though you are incapable of making the choice, you'd like both types of bike on the road still.
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Bolt two rg500 engines together, now were talking (talking expensive chain and sprockets that is)
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Balto. Dog found an interesting study showing why the prius did cause more damage to the environment than an evil Hummer SUV. Gist of the article had to do with rare earth materials used to build batteries and how ruthless the Chinese were in digging them out of the earth and processing them into what ever it was.

Pollution is just that pollution no matter what wonderful thing is being made.
That makes sense. I've long thought that total life cycle costs, including resource extraction, manufacturing, and all related pollution, should be factored into the price of the vehicle and the price of its fuel. Instead, we largely socialize the price of the pollution and the carbon load, or pass it off to the less-developed world.

Nevertheless, 50 miles per gallon is compelling, and the comparison to the Hummer is far-fetched. Over the life of the car, there's a lot of gasoline not being burned. I say this from a household with one 50 mpg 2009 Prius and one gasoline-only 33 mpg 2009 Honda Civic. Even that difference for two very similar cars is substantial. By comparison, my Bonnie is in the low 40s.
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It shames me now to admit to owning one of these "fabulous" machines back in the day. Yes I know that there are those who revere these sleds, but I'm here to tell ya... this is not the bike you're looking for.

Let's do the check list:

Blue smoke mosquito control? Check.

All 60 ponies at red-line but bog city every else? Check.

Did I mention a most un-manageable peaky 2-stroke power band? Check.

Flexi-frame designed for death-grip riding at speed? Check.

Paper mache drum brakes? Check.

Suspicious CDI ignition? Check.

Unpleasant exhaust note held up for ridicule by friends? Check.

Sorry, I could go on but my rose colored two stroke memories are fogging up. Sold my Mach III after a few months (without getting killed) and got a new Combat Commando... a different story for another time. In an alternate universe I hope I'd opt for a Scott Flying Squirrel for a two stroke bike.
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The only 2 strokes we can ride in the UK are scooters and old bikes.
I like the 4strokes I ride now but would love the choice.
Would like a 750Kawasaki triple.
Couldn't care less about emmisions polution etc. Anyone can manipulate the stats/numbers to say anything.


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