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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-05-2012, 09:59 PM
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Thanks, I somehow missed that part...it does indeed now look like pilot error.
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Not so sure about that; if the SUV were outside the perimeter, the plane wouldn't have cleared the fence or landed on the runway. The access road is placed wrong, because that approach was textbook, maybe just a bit low. There should never be traffic that close to the end of an active runway.

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Did anyone else notice the animals hanging out near the runway? This is not a serious airport, it's just a runway.

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There are a lot of things going on here.

It looks like there is a displaced threshold. Displaced thresholds are used for numerous reasons, one of which is obstacle avoidance. It's ok to start your take off roll behind it but you have to land beyond the threshold (otherwise it's as if you landed off the end of the runway and rolled onto the runway). He appeared to be too low to have been landing beyond the displaced threshold. Whether or not this makes him negligent per se is another matter though as he was still airborne/ had not actually landed short at the time of collision.

The driver could be liable for failure to yield or some similar thing. The car can stop a lot faster than the aircraft and just because its a public road does not make it ok for the driver to lack situational awareness. Especially if...

.. the airport is supposed to ensure procedures are in place for safe operations. This means for air traffic and vehicular traffic on the airfield. If the airport didn't have a sign warning the driver, the airport itself it liable (there could have been a sign that the driver ignored though).

So there is a lot of room to blame parties for various things. I wonder how it will turn out.
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Having a plane land on your roof is about the same as having a flower pot land on your head. I don't look up every time I'm on the sidewalk along side a tall building. Without more information I would place the weight of responsibility on the pilot.

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The driver ran the stop sign!
Heard it on the news.

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You know, following Air Pirate's post on airport safety, I was going to suggest that all that would be necessary would be a stop-sign, so this doesn't really surprise me at all.
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There is a,
"watch for low flying aircraft",
Sign next to the freeway here.
You can read it, when your stuck in traffic.

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We have a major four-lane road (and bicycle path) around the Baltimore airport. One section passes right by the end of the most-used runway. It's interesting to ride along and see a 737 coming down just over your head. But not close enough to hit the vehicles on the ground!

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The 405 freeway runs right by the beginning of the runway at John Wayne International. I remember years ago an elderly pilot crashed his Cessna onto the slip-road...when asked what happened his statement was priceless..."I ran out of altitude, airspeed, and ideas, all at the same time".
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