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Old 11-03-2012, 08:34 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Ok Jonk, stand it up, hammer the breaks and then lean it again. OR trail brake with the back wheel.
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:57 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I'm with the guy who said he should've leaned. There is a video of a guy on a GOLD WING tearing up the Dragon. It seemed like he was out of the seat he was leaning over so far in turns.
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:00 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Out of his seat??...the guy nearly had his knee down!!
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:06 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I would go with keeping head and eyes up and adjusting speed so you can always handle what you CAN'T see. My perfect corner is one I've gone through and thought, "ok, I could have hit that one a little harder."

"Slow in, faster out."

Agree with the others who say he should have shifted his weight inside, and the guy on the Goldwing on the Dragon is amazing!
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:23 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Wow, I cringe a little reading some of the comments on this thread. My take is that he tried to go in a little to much for that style of bike and maybe his riding skills. I don't think any of us know him from what I've read, so maybe he just had a bad corner, and he is a very experienced rider. Who knows. I could only hope that I could slide as he did and pop up with out any weird tumbles or getting any limbs twisted. From what I see in the video there is no reason to think he may have any broken limbs. He slid and popped right up. Those ragging on the dude in this thread sound a lot like those stereotypical Harley dudes in the Harley forums that nobody likes. I don't know how I would react in such an event. Maybe he walked over and was a humble son-of-a-bitch and admitted to making a riding error. What about the dude on the Yamaha in the video link at the end that rode up the bank and caught air on the rock. He hopped up and gave a big fist pump in disgust. The Harley dude isn't the only type of person to react that way. That is a normal human reaction, unless you are actually injured and need to lay there.
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That's a pretty good point, Wolf. It's a fairly low speed corner, so unless another vehicle gets into the mix, any injuries will almost always be minor. But, what you have to realize is that everyone who rides that area knows that the cameras and crowd is there, and unfortunately, posturing and posing is also a part of human nature.

I would hazard guesses that 99.99995% of all the crashes you see on rnickey's site are due to excessive speed/rider error, and 99.9995% of those crashes, the excessive speed/rider error is due to the rider pushing too hard to show off for the assembled masses.

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Why shouldn't you lean a Harley?

Because all the loose parts will fall off......
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:50 AM   #58 (permalink)
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I just love reading all the suggestions and advice members here give to guys who crash. In most cases it is anhonest effort to review the accident and find ways it could have been avoided. In the case of wrecks happening in areas with photographers present the blame shifts to the surrounding people, the corner this, the corner that. He should have stood it up, leaned his ass off, rode a different bike. He was caught off guard, may have been a really great rider but???

No where has any one said what to me is obvious. He was in over his head, out of his skill level, riding a 10/10 when his experience was a 3 to begin with. He never thought any thing about the corner. His tiny brain was clogged with a huge ego. Why cut smucks slack when you can see he was out of his league?

The kind of bike didn't matter, the type of curve didn't matter. He is lucky to be alive and his bravado at the end is probably indicative of how he goes through his life. "Whoa, look at me, I aced that one".
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From the video, it looks to me like the rider was following typical Deal's Gap instructions, i.e. ride the right line of your lane in order to avoid the asshats who are in over their head and end up having to take their half out of the middle. Unfortunately, even at what appears to be low speed, he went too deep in the corner to keep from running wide, and as he leaned the bike over more and more, he just flat ran out of ground clearance.

On the bright side, the H-D hard parts were sufficiently wide to keep the bike off his left leg. Had the bike bitten his left leg and used it as a cushion to ride through the crash, he would not have been up and at 'em so quickly.

Very lucky dude.

On a different note, why do insurance companies cover losses like this? He's obviously part of a photographed parade which was designed to test his skill. If the insurance company covers his losses, what 's his incentive to learn something from the test?

Man, I hate that road and the people who have turned it into a genuine MORON MAGNET. The only good thing about it is that it sucks enforcement and squids away from other roads that are actually better.
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Man, I hate that road and the people who have turned it into a genuine MORON MAGNET. The only good thing about it is that it sucks enforcement and squids away from other roads that are actually better.
Yep, I second that...what I find amazing is that even though everyone knows just how much enforcement is up there (and everyone must surely know by now??) it still attracts so many people??
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