Why you shouldn't 'lean' a Harley - Page 5 - Triumph Forum: Triumph Rat Motorcycle Forums
» Main Menu

Discussion Forums
 » Twins
 » Tiger
 » General
 » RAT

Features
 » Blogs

Motorcycle.com Links

Contribute
 » Photo

Motorcycle Forums
» Insurance
» Sponsors
» Our Partners
»ATV Reviews
»Motorcycle Games

Biker Hang-Out The Biker Cafe' at the end of the Universe. C'mon in, we talk everything about motorcycles on Earth and beyond.


Sponsored by: Motorcycle Accessory Discount Superstore

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-02-2012, 11:40 PM   #41 (permalink)
Senior Member
Commentator
Main Motorcycle: 72 Bonneville T120RV
 
triumpt120rv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 9,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scriber View Post
This is a great video to diagnose the riding mistakes this guy made. So...what could he have done to keep his bike upright?
Trailer the bike with strong ties.
triumpt120rv is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-02-2012, 11:42 PM   #42 (permalink)
Mockerator
Site Supporter
Team Owner
Main Motorcycle: 2006 Thruxton
 
jonkster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,139
Other Motorcycle: 1971 T120
Extra Motorcycle: Ossa 6 day replica
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boldor View Post
If "Cool" is in the eye of the beholder, my definition of post-crash Cool is to immediately work on accepting what just happened and having a look around before you move. Sitting still for a while and checking your legs aren't broken and going to spear up your arse when you stand-up to saunter away from the ugliness - that's Cool to me.
You are a better man than me. My best cool one was much more along the lines of his attempt. Only I badly misjudged how fast I was sliding when I stood up to do a cool sort of saunter away.

I did "Walking on the Moon" long before the Police starting singing about it
__________________
stumble trip stumble trip
jonkster is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-02-2012, 11:46 PM   #43 (permalink)
D41
Senior Member
Team Owner
Main Motorcycle: Valmoto Replica
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Orange, CA
Posts: 4,258
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scriber View Post
This is a great video to diagnose the riding mistakes this guy made. So...what could he have done to keep his bike upright?
He could have NOT tried to keep up with the sportbike.
D41 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-02-2012, 11:53 PM   #44 (permalink)
Senior Member
Team Owner
Main Motorcycle: 2009 Bonneville SE
 
Junipero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Northern Virginia, near Washington DC
Posts: 4,817
Other Motorcycle: 2011 BMW R1200RT
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
I thought the bike looked stoopid and the rider was an idiot who also looked stoopid.

Nothing cool about any of that in my book, sorry mate.

Just very dumb.
You are absolutely right, of course. But if I low slide I want it to be pretty much like that, except I'd be dropping a lot more F-bombs. Just sayin'.
__________________
"The views expressed here are my own and do not represent my employer's position or opinion."


Junipero is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-03-2012, 12:06 AM   #45 (permalink)
Lifetime Premium
Site Supporter
Supernova
Main Motorcycle: '08 Triumph Bonneville
 
leftarmlogan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver? Pittsburgh? Where am I?
Posts: 20,867
Other Motorcycle: '65 Ducati 350 Sebring
Extra Motorcycle: '07 Triumph Sprint ST
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scriber View Post
So...what could he have done to keep his bike upright?
Everything he didn't do.
__________________
You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel

"It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

I should really update this: http://cundalini.blogspot.com/
leftarmlogan is online now   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-03-2012, 12:23 AM   #46 (permalink)
Mockerator
Site Supporter
Team Owner
Main Motorcycle: 2006 Thruxton
 
jonkster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,139
Other Motorcycle: 1971 T120
Extra Motorcycle: Ossa 6 day replica
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scriber View Post
This is a great video to diagnose the riding mistakes this guy made. So...what could he have done to keep his bike upright?
I think that is a good question. Unlike it seems a few people here, I have been in a corner when I misjudged the corner and my skills and the bikes abilities and things started going pear shaped.

You often here people say "lean more and it will go round".

The reason I think this guy came off though was he couldn't physically lean the bike more - the frame looks like it grounded and unloaded the wheels.

As an armchair critic and with the benefit of hindsight I think what he could of done at that point in the story was shift his weight more - ie hang off the bike on the inside to compensate for the limited lean angles the bike itself could do. (I wasn't there though. And I have low sided at low speed myself so I am no expert.)
__________________
stumble trip stumble trip
jonkster is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-03-2012, 12:37 AM   #47 (permalink)
Senior Member
Commentator
Main Motorcycle: 72 Bonneville T120RV
 
triumpt120rv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 9,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scriber View Post
So...what could he have done to keep his bike upright?
Not drag his foot.
triumpt120rv is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-03-2012, 01:17 AM   #48 (permalink)
Senior Member
SuperStock
Main Motorcycle: 2012 Speed Triple R
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Olympia, WA, USA
Posts: 227
Other Motorcycle: Aprilia Scarabeo Scooter
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkster View Post
As an armchair critic and with the benefit of hindsight I think what he could of done at that point in the story was shift his weight more - ie hang off the bike on the inside to compensate for the limited lean angles the bike itself could do. (I wasn't there though. And I have low sided at low speed myself so I am no expert.)
I think so too. His upper body is to the outside of the center line of his bike. So it looks like he is squandering his lean angle. With good body position he could have made the turn with LESS lean angle. His initial lane position also looks poor -- needs to start closer to the outside of the lane so he can have a better shot at a delayed apex. As it happened, he apexed the turn too soon beginning with a lazy turn-in. There are also a couple of minor mid turn steering corrections which contributed to losing more lean angle and drifting wide. He never did look all the way through the corner, so when he began to target fixate as he drifted wide his fate was sealed. With all the mistakes he made I still think he would have made the turn with a good inside body position.

Last edited by Scriber; 11-03-2012 at 01:20 AM.
Scriber is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-03-2012, 01:49 AM   #49 (permalink)
Member
Grand Prix 250
Main Motorcycle: Sprint GT
 
Geronimo675's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 42
Nice bike, I like the contrasting black & white.

What a crappy way to realize his skill level.
__________________
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE
Geronimo675 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-03-2012, 05:30 AM   #50 (permalink)
Senior Member
Legend
Main Motorcycle: KTM Duke 690
 
Boldor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Newcastle, Australia
Posts: 11,172
Other Motorcycle: '95 Speedie & '82 CB750
Extra Motorcycle: RGV250 Trackie
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkster View Post
You are a better man than me. My best cool one was much more along the lines of his attempt. Only I badly misjudged how fast I was sliding when I stood up to do a cool sort of saunter away.

I did "Walking on the Moon" long before the Police starting singing about it
Maybe I mixed to many ideas into one sentence.

I feel quite cool sitting still for a while. Under such extreme circumstances, you can commonly loose feeling of pain. Many broken limbed crashed riders have made a simple break into a compound fracture by getting up too quickly.

I have rarely sauntered away from crash.
__________________
"By looking at the difference between perceived danger and actual danger, you can fundamentally change your reaction." Chris Hadfield.
Boldor is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Triumph Forum: Triumph Rat Motorcycle Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter your valid email address, that can receive an automated confirmation message. Otherwise, you won't be able to gain full access.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Lean? Severeign Cruisers - America, Speedmaster 8 10-02-2012 11:10 AM
Should I Buy This Harley? Harley/Triumph owners opinions wanted triumpt120rv Classic, Vintage & Veteran 50 01-03-2012 09:47 AM
Should I Buy This Harley? Harley/Triumph Owners opinions wanted triumpt120rv Biker Hang-Out 76 01-02-2012 08:05 AM
Does this look too lean? dazco ECM and FI Tuning - Help, Tips & Tricks 8 07-13-2011 01:04 PM
Am I lean? Kframe Twins Technical Talk 9 06-16-2008 07:25 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:40 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Motorcycle News, Videos and Reviews
Honda Grom Forum Harley Davidson Forum Honda 600RR Forum Kawasaki Forum Yamaha R6 Forum Yamaha FZ-09 Forum
1199 Panigale Forum Roadglide Forum Honda CBR1000 Forum Vulcan Forum Yamaha R1 Forum Yamaha R3 Forum
Ducati Monster Forum Harley Forums Honda CBR250R Forum ZX10R Forum Star Raider Forum Yamaha Viking Forum
Suzuki GSXR Forum V-Rod Forums Honda Shadow Forum Kawasaki Motorcycle Forum Star Warrior Forum KTM Duke 390 Forum
SV650 Forum BMW S1000RR Forum Honda Fury Forum Kawasaki Versys Forum Drag Racing Forum Ducati 899 Panigale Forum
Suzuki V-Strom BMW K1600 Triumph Forum Victory Forums Sportbikes BMW NineT Forum
Volusia Forum BMW F800 Forum Triumph 675 Forum MV Agusta Forum HD Street Forum Suzuki GW250 Forum
Yamaha Motorcycles Victory Gunner Forum Honda Vultus Forum HD LiveWire Forum Ninja H2 Forum Ducati Scrambler Forum Kawasaki Ninja 250SL Forum

Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.