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11-01-2012, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AMC
What I do have training in is usage of a firearm. If you are looking for a self-defense tool, then I would look into purchasing a firearm and more importantly, training in the usage of that firearm, and a carry permit. My standard carry gun is a Glock 26. It's a compact little firearm and holds 10+1 rounds of 9mm. Also, as others have said, knives work better close up and most folks don't realize how much ground most attackers can cover before you draw your gun. So as I originally stated, if you're afraid, beat feet. If you decide to go with a gun get lots of training and remember, your first thought in a dangerous situation should still be: get the hell out of there.
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That's all great... but for those of us who live in jurisdictions where we can't carry a CCW handgun, we have to consider other options.
Knives are the oldest, most reliable, and most proven weapon in the history of humankind. (ok, maybe the wooden club is older).
Countless million 'victims' have protected themselves with a knife over the centuries. I suspect many of them were completely untrained. And as anyone who is familiar with the Tueller Drill knows, having a gun in close quarters against a determined knifer is no guarantee of security.
You can carry a knife in virtually any jurisdiction on the planet and get away with it. I'm not saying that it will always be legal, but I can tell you for certain that if you are for some reason patted down by a cop and he produces a knife you at least have a chance to explain it is for peeling the apple in your backpack. If he finds a gun... well, they don't make very good apple peelers.
I live in a jurisdiction where I don't need to carry a gun. Small town, very peaceful, and I'm not involved in any sort of criminal activity or affiliation. That alone will keep me out of 99% of problems.
For the other 1% I've been training in H2H combatives for 20 years as a hobby and in knife defense for just about as long. And if you've ever tried to disarm an 'untrained' woman with a knife in an adrenalized training scenario you know exactly how hard it is. It's usually impossible to do without getting cut ... meaning at the very least the attacker will leave their DNA all over the scene.
Someone at church last week asked if anyone had a knife because they had to cut some plastic ties around a package. When I produced mine they said "I knew you would have a knife! What do you carry that for?" I just looked at them and said "I'm opening YOUR package for you because you didn't have a tool to do it!?!?!"
Why WOULDN'T you carry a small, useful tool that could potentially save your life someday?
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11-02-2012, 06:42 PM
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#132 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Draeger
That's all great... but for those of us who live in jurisdictions where we can't carry a CCW handgun, we have to consider other options.
Knives are the oldest, most reliable, and most proven weapon in the history of humankind. (ok, maybe the wooden club is older).
Countless million 'victims' have protected themselves with a knife over the centuries. I suspect many of them were completely untrained. And as anyone who is familiar with the Tueller Drill knows, having a gun in close quarters against a determined knifer is no guarantee of security.
You can carry a knife in virtually any jurisdiction on the planet and get away with it. I'm not saying that it will always be legal, but I can tell you for certain that if you are for some reason patted down by a cop and he produces a knife you at least have a chance to explain it is for peeling the apple in your backpack. If he finds a gun... well, they don't make very good apple peelers.
I live in a jurisdiction where I don't need to carry a gun. Small town, very peaceful, and I'm not involved in any sort of criminal activity or affiliation. That alone will keep me out of 99% of problems.
For the other 1% I've been training in H2H combatives for 20 years as a hobby and in knife defense for just about as long. And if you've ever tried to disarm an 'untrained' woman with a knife in an adrenalized training scenario you know exactly how hard it is. It's usually impossible to do without getting cut ... meaning at the very least the attacker will leave their DNA all over the scene.
Someone at church last week asked if anyone had a knife because they had to cut some plastic ties around a package. When I produced mine they said "I knew you would have a knife! What do you carry that for?" I just looked at them and said "I'm opening YOUR package for you because you didn't have a tool to do it!?!?!"
Why WOULDN'T you carry a small, useful tool that could potentially save your life someday?
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You bring a knife, i am bringing BEAR SPRAY! A legal, stand off weapon!
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11-02-2012, 08:07 PM
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#133 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by dogtired
Lee, the police here know only too well when it comes to a drawn knife V. gun issue, you need a hell of a large space to have an even chance with a gun. And that is with the gun in a holster on their hip, and not under a jacket or in a pocket. I am betting I could cover 15 yards and tap you on the shoulder before you could draw your weapon.
Same with trying to get a knife out of a pocket.
Just saying.
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Dog,
The LAPD studied this and found the distance was more like 21 feet, or almost 7 of your meters.
I'm sort of new around here, so I'll give a little of my CV: I'm a retired U.S. Marine (Reserve), and have been a federal LEO for the last 21 years. I've been trained in just about every weapon from an entrenching tool to a 155mm howitzer (some more, some less). A knife as a defensive weapon is really only a good idea when it's very long and fixed to the end of a rifle. It's a great offensive weapon when stealth and surprise is necessary, but other than that it's better left for cutting boxes or dressing game. That being said, this is one of my favorite carry tools:
Unfortunately, since I am left handed, it's a little inconvenient to deploy the blade on the Skeletool. So, when the latest farkle for the bike shows up in the mail and speed is a necessity, I recently got one of these:
It has a reversible pocket clip, and the locking/unlocking mechanism is fully ambidextrous.
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11-02-2012, 08:29 PM
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#134 (permalink)
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Dave,I can just picture that big blue smiling face going, mine mine mine!
that avitar makes me laugh 
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11-02-2012, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Draeger
Someone at church last week asked if anyone had a knife because they had to cut some plastic ties around a package. When I produced mine they said "I knew you would have a knife! What do you carry that for?" I just looked at them and said "I'm opening YOUR package for you because you didn't have a tool to do it!?!?!"
Why WOULDN'T you carry a small, useful tool that could potentially save your life someday?
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Priceless.
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11-02-2012, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BKK Jack
Unfortunately, since I am left handed, it's a little inconvenient to deploy the blade on the Skeletool. So, when the latest farkle for the bike shows up in the mail and speed is a necessity, I recently got one of these:
It has a reversible pocket clip, and the locking/unlocking mechanism is fully ambidextrous.
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I am a lefty too and have been looking for a knife like that. But $210? Maybe have to wait for Christmas....
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11-02-2012, 10:31 PM
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That's not a knife . . .
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11-02-2012, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BKK Jack
a 155mm howitzer
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In am guessing you can't get a permit for one of those...
Dang, nice toy!
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11-03-2012, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dogtired
In am guessing you can't get a permit for one of those...
Dang, nice toy!
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They're also not well suited to pocket carry.  'Tis a shame, because as an artillery officer, that's the one with which I have the most training/experience.
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11-03-2012, 07:30 PM
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#140 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by BrewDudeBob
I am a lefty too and have been looking for a knife like that. But $210? Maybe have to wait for Christmas....
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I'm not a knife expert so I can't tell what specifically makes the SOG worth $210, but I'm pretty sure something like my simply spyderco endura would work pretty well left handed since the clip is reversible. It's certainly easy enough to open one handed, if perhaps not as fast as some designs. On the other hand, it's only about $60.
http://www.knivesplus.com/spydercokn...p-c10psfg.html
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