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Boldor · 11-08-2012, 04:13 PM

Ahhhhuuuhm - there is a big difference between your attitude in #1348 and the passage I have quoted Dee. Not having a shot or anything but they're kinda opposite.

BKK Jack · 11-08-2012, 04:24 PM

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I liked this passage.

"To some people, that's real racing [Moto2]. I am not convinced. It's exciting enough, but there's something also inescapably trivial about a motor sport where the "motor" part has been ruled out of the equation. It is not authentic. In many ways, there's more to respect in an ostensibly tedious runaway by the likes of Michael Doohan, Valentino Rossi or Casey Stoner.

I'm going to have to say I don't 100% agree with you on this. I don't believe the "motor" has been ruled out. Yes, in Moto2 the engine is standardized, but that's really it. There are still enough variables in the equation that it still takes a team to tailor the bike to the rider and each track.

I would also say that as racing fans go, you are probably an extreme minority. Processions and tedious runaway wins are exactly that - tedious. That is not what brings the fans to the tracks, TV's, and websites. There's a reason NASCAR is the most popular racing series in the world, and it goes beyond the lack of intelligence (and teeth) of the average fan.

It's because the series is designed to create the argy-bargy stuff, and if someone is getting too far ahead, race direction will spit some tobacco juice on the track, causing an 80 car pile-up, and the field will get recompressed behind the pace car. Unlike you, the average fan is unable to see the artificiality of it all, but that's what they are banking on - and doing it quite successfully.

I am very capable of understanding most of what goes into Stoner or Lorenzo, or even Rossi (before he got old) running away to a multi-second winning margin, but what I much prefer is watching Stoner crash on the last lap trying to overtake Pedroza, or Pedroza passing back under Lorenzo on the last corner (the names aren't important, change them as you like, what's important is that there were at least two riders going at it hammer and tong).

D41 · 11-08-2012, 04:29 PM

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Ahhhhuuuhm - there is a big difference between your attitude in #1348 and the passage I have quoted Dee. Not having a shot or anything but they're kinda opposite.

There is indeed....basically because I'm in two minds about the whole thing...or to put it more bluntly, I just don't know.

Boldor · 11-08-2012, 04:36 PM

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I don't believe the "motor" has been ruled out. Yes, in Moto2 the engine is standardized, but that's really it.

Isn't that a contradiction? If the motor is standardised, it isn't a variable, and therefore it is not motorsport.

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I would also say that as racing fans go, you are probably an extreme minority.

I am taking that as the biggest web compliment I've ever had.

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Processions and tedious runaway wins are exactly that - tedious. That is not what brings the fans to the tracks, TV's, and websites.

And here in lies the issue. While mug-punters are wanting colour, spectacle, brolly dollies, cheeky, up close shots from riders etc etc etc - that is where racing is headed.

Hey Dee, can't lay grief on someone that honest.

BKK Jack · 11-08-2012, 05:03 PM

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Isn't that a contradiction? If the motor is standardised, it isn't a variable, and therefore it is not motorsport.

No it's not. The entire system (motorcycle) is much more than just a disembodied motor.

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I am taking that as the biggest web compliment I've ever had.

You're welcome!

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And here in lies the issue. While mug-punters are wanting colour, spectacle, brolly dollies, cheeky, up close shots from riders etc etc etc - that is where racing is headed.

I do have to admit to enjoying the brolly dollies as much as the next man, but the rest of the off track stuff is unnecessary. Just give me good, close racing.

...and the chickadees in form-flattering attire.

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Hey Dee, can't lay grief on someone that honest.

Tin-roofed me on that one.

D41 · 11-08-2012, 05:12 PM

Take the brolly-dollies away...couldn't care less about that nonsense. Talk to the riders in the garages, do the pre-race garbage there...let them roll out of the pit-lane to do a warm-up lap (pussies!!) and then let them line up on the grid for the first time right before the off...the current way is too laborious.

Boldor · 11-08-2012, 05:14 PM

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No it's not. The entire system (motorcycle) is much more than just a disembodied motor.

I guess it is a personal preference thing. But I like the dimension of different engines, it is half the fuggn sport to me, the engines are kinda why a bike is called a MOTORbike. I LOVED what Doohan did to his team-mates with the Big Bang and the Screamer. I think the term Dumbing Down is way too polite. Moto2 might be close; rider to rider an' all, but it is comatosing regarding motorbike technology.

BKK Jack · 11-08-2012, 05:15 PM

D41,

But, but, but...how are the local celebrities and government lackeys (er, luminaries) going to mingle with the riders and look like they care, solely to try to bolster their celebrity/luminosity?

Boldor · 11-08-2012, 05:16 PM

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Take the brolly-dollies away...couldn't care less about that nonsense. Talk to the riders in the garages, do the pre-race garbage there...let them roll out of the pit-lane to do a warm-up lap (pussies!!) and then let them line up on the grid for the first time right before the off...the current way is too laborious.

That would suggest you DON'T like the spectacle and may exist in my world of extreme minority.

BKK Jack · 11-08-2012, 05:21 PM

Boldy,

As a support/rider development series, you have to admit Moto2 works pretty well. As far as MotoGP goes, I agree there should be a very basic set of parameters, and let whoever has the most money/ability/balls win.