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post #1511 of 7110 (permalink) Old 11-25-2012, 11:54 PM
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I had always liked the look of the early 1960s Japanese 2 stroke race bikes but knew little of the history.

After a recommendation a few weeks ago by M.G.Vig I read Mat Oxley's "Stealing Speed".

The book outlines how Suzuki basically stole the technology from the East German MZ factory (via a high profile defection in 1961 by the lead MZ rider (and mechanic) Ernst Degner, who smuggled with him parts and plans from the MZ factory and gave them to Suzuki in return for a big sum of cash and a factory riding position and his engineering assistance to get the Suzuki bikes competitive. They certainly were not competitive up until Degner got to Suzuki when they became world beaters).

The MZ bikes are cool lookers too.

This is the MZ RE125:




(although this is a later 1971 model).

The later 2 stroke GP monsters like the NSR500, RG500 and YZR500 were all basically developments of the original ground breaking MZ 125 technology first developed in East Germany by Walter Kaaden and smuggled out by Degner.

Really interesting story. Cool looking bikes.

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Very nice.

Comical hubs too! Say what you will about their stopping power, they look stunning.
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I had always liked the look of the early 1960s Japanese 2 stroke race bikes but knew little of the history.

After a recommendation a few weeks ago by M.G.Vig I read Mat Oxley's "Stealing Speed".

The book outlines how Suzuki basically stole the technology from the East German MZ factory (via a high profile defection in 1961 by the lead MZ rider (and mechanic) Ernst Degner, who smuggled with him parts and plans from the MZ factory and gave them to Suzuki in return for a big sum of cash and a factory riding position and his engineering assistance to get the Suzuki bikes competitive. They certainly were not competitive up until Degner got to Suzuki when they became world beaters).

The MZ bikes are cool lookers too.

This is the MZ RE125:




(although this is a later 1971 model).

The later 2 stroke GP monsters like the NSR500, RG500 and YZR500 were all basically developments of the original ground breaking MZ 125 technology first developed in East Germany by Walter Kaaden and smuggled out by Degner.

Really interesting story. Cool looking bikes.
Everybody gets something from everybody! Stories liek this are ther eason I get so irritated when I hear the old "Anybody who makes a V twin is ripping off Harley" crap.

I do not consider myself a motorcycle history scholoar but dammit, I know a helluva lot more than 99% of the people I talk to. The reason, I find it all interesting, so I read as much as I can, and I hav elong winters so I have time to read all that I can.

That and I do like to show off alittle bit. Now I lknow some people here might be totally blindsided with that admission coming from me, Greaser, but that is how it is.
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Oh whoa!
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Comical hubs too! Say what you will about their stopping power, they look stunning.
Iconic when polished. Mesmerizing when chromed. Set them up properly and they are sufficient (are yours?). I find dodging and accelerating out of most trouble is usually a more suitable strategy than breaking anyway so I have no complaints. I don't think discs would change things that much for how I ride anyway.



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Iconic when polished. Mesmerizing when chromed. Set them up properly and they are sufficient (are yours?). I find dodging and accelerating out of most trouble is usually a more suitable strategy than breaking anyway so I have no complaints. I don't think discs would change things that much for how I ride anyway.



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Not a fan of trikes but I like how pudgy this looks.

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