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Old 12-10-2009, 04:06 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I love my helmet, but yeah, the five-year code needs to be enforced.
We have enough enforcement now.
I started my riding life in Arizona, no helmets were required. I would (sometimes do) ride without one if it wasnt for the revenewers. after all isnt all about freedom?
btw, I have my own health care in$urance.
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Old 12-13-2009, 07:57 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Only thing I find stange about the 5-year rule....most racing sanctioning bodies allow current Snell rating plus 1 rating older. That would mean until M2010 is the standard, track reps are checking for M2005 and M2000 helmets, effectively a 10 year window. When 2010 is std, those helmets plus M05 are good and M00 retired. I go by this when judging when to replace a helmet. I've never heard of a 5 yr expiration in those circles.

Personally, I think 5 years as a rule is BS if the thought is it won't protect any longer. HOWEVER, this assumes the rider INSPECTS their helmet for defects. I do take impacts seriously though, and would think dropping would have a bigger factor in the degradation of the foam than the 5 yr expiration theory. The foam is designed for single impact dissipation (which is a big point on M rating...SA rated helmets, like those used for auto racing, are designed for multiple impacts such as continuously bumping a roll cage in the car).

Just my 2cents though...although in a practical sense, I can see why people end up replacing helmets in 5 years anyways, with style always changing, etc.

Actually, on that note, forget this whole post. I want my wife to read the 5 year rule, so I can justify buying that new Arai! )
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Old 12-14-2009, 12:59 AM   #63 (permalink)
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That 10 year window is the performance standard to which the helmet is manufactured. You could make an M2005 helmet in 2009; I don't believe the standard 'year' tells you when it was manufactured. I may be wrong about this; can anyone refute or confirm for me?
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:22 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Funny how the foam lasts millions of years in the dump and only 5 years in a helmet.
I was thinking the same thing.

It's that damn liner I tell ya.
Wait a minute... what if we mix all our old helmet liners with all of the world's foam...?

Motorcycling solves yet another environmental problem.
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Old 12-14-2009, 09:14 AM   #65 (permalink)
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That 10 year window is the performance standard to which the helmet is manufactured. You could make an M2005 helmet in 2009; I don't believe the standard 'year' tells you when it was manufactured. I may be wrong about this; can anyone refute or confirm for me?
You are absolutely correct. But the point I was trying to make is that an M2000 helmet manufactured in 2000 is judged the same as the M2000 helmet manufactured in 2004. So I should have better stated it as a 6-10 year window for which a helmet is good, based on performance standards and what is accepted for competition use.

I guess to answer the original question of the thread...No I do not abide by a 5 year replacement rule (based on date of mfg), but rather follow the criteria/recommendations of sanctioning bodies based on performance standards. When the performance standard is out of date (as M2000 will soon be), that is when I replace my helmets.
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:06 AM   #66 (permalink)
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...manufactured in 2004. So I should have better stated it as a 6-10 year window for which a helmet is good, based on performance standards and what is accepted for competition use.

I guess to answer the original question of the thread...No I do not abide by a 5 year replacement rule (based on date of mfg), but rather follow the criteria/recommendations of sanctioning bodies based on performance standards. When the performance standard is out of date (as M2000 will soon be), that is when I replace my helmets.

When you replace your helmet is your own personal decision, but you can't get on the track at Loudon International unless it's less than 2 years old. While the EPS does not BIOdegrade, it does degrade ( becomes unstable ) with exposure to sunlight and with exposure to solvents such as gas fumes, and the solvents used to make fiberglass among many others...so, conceivably, it could be sitting on the shelf reacting to itself and degrading before you even purchase it.
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:34 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Good point, but something else to consider....the guy who leaves his helmet laying out on the paddock (or sitting on the mirror in the parking lot) may be damaging their helmet.

I still think the length of time a helmet is "good" directly correlates to proper care. I can't justify tossing a well-cared for helmet every 5 years if all appears in good condition. I guess the most important thing is hearing from the manufacturers on proper inspection (I don't know other than quick visual check).

But like you said, "your money, your head".
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Old 12-15-2009, 11:26 AM   #68 (permalink)
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This comment reminded me of the fact that everyone says track riding is safer, but both the riding friends I know who've broken bones did it at the track... no, wait, make that "all three," not "both."
Well, it's safer if you are riding the same way. I'm far less likely to do some of the things I used to do on the street, simply because I can go so much faster in relatively controlled circumstances on the track. And, if I fall off, there's runoff room, a crash truck, an ambulance, airfence, and no traffic coming the other way. So, yes, it's safer, but safer is a relative thing. Those friends with broken bones would have been broken up a whole lot more had they fallen off the same way somewhere else. Those of us who are idiots should probably keep our idiocy to the track. People who can keep it tucked in under a veneer of sanity don't need the track so much. For comparison, I had four fairly large crashes a couple seasons ago, including one where I launched the bike about halfway up an embankment. I was more angry than anything else, since each crash was an expensive PITA and meant I couldn't race the next day without staying up all night fixing things. Sure, there's an element of luck when you only smash a fingernail during a 100 + mph crash, but I would not likely have walked away from any of them if the same thing had happened on the street. Another thing to think about is approach to the track. There are people who go to the track regularly for fun and practice, and never crash. They don't push the envelope much, and don't feel the need to do so. They are often very fast. Then there are those of us with a problem with competitiveness, and although we are sometimes slower than the first type of track rider, we end up joining racing clubs, pay close attention to lap times, work on technique in this or that corner, and generally are more prone to finding out about things the hard way. It's all in how you approach it.

Oh, and I may have a helmet which will get replaced due to old age in another year. Go figure.
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We have enough enforcement now.
I started my riding life in Arizona, no helmets were required. I would (sometimes do) ride without one if it wasnt for the revenewers. after all isnt all about freedom?
btw, I have my own health care in$urance.
No offense, but I wouldnot take helmet advice from someone that does not wear a helmet.
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No offense, but I wouldnot take helmet advice from someone that does not wear a helmet.
maybe not but you have to ask, who does it hurt but yourself?

Is it really a valid area for regulation?
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