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My thoughts? We all need to take a deep breath. This video (I only watched the first segment) smacks of the 9/11 Truth Movement. Rife with conspiracy! The global oligarchy! The Illuminati!

The problem with these "movies" is that they wholly accept premises that make no sense in the real world. Much like the aforementioned Truther movement that builds its house of cards on the notion that Communists and Capitalists were working in unison to plant bombs in the WTC and fire missiles at the Pentagon. Sheesh! Come on...

Do I think some greedy folks busted the current financial system? Sure. But a global conspiracy? By whom? The WTO? The World Bank? It's the culture of greed, excess, and instant gratification upon which contemporary America thrives.

We're coming to find out that the Yoo memos made it "legally" OK for the President to institute martial law. But as much as I didn't like President Bush, I never thought for a second that would happen here.

While fear is a great motivator, so is hope. So is progress. For all his doom-and-gloom on Beck's War Room segment, Gerald Celente is also predicting a revolutionary advance in renewable energy technologies, miracle cures from stem cell research, and a shift toward holistic healing practices...all in 2009. Is he right? We'll see. Imagine how the mood will shift when we're exporting cures to the world. Paying off our debt to China in green technology.

Till then, let's all just calm down a bit.
 
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My thoughts? We all need to take a deep breath. This video (I only watched the first segment) smacks of the 9/11 Truth Movement. Rife with conspiracy! The global oligarchy! The Illuminati!
I'm pretty sure I don't share the same political viewpoint as Mcqueen, but I agree with this sentiment. I think this is a bit far out.

Mind you, freedom of speech is a wonderful thing to have, and it's OK to critiscize and question the powers that be. This is another form of that - if an extreme viewpoint. I hope we are collectively smarter than that.
 
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Quote: "Do I think some greedy folks busted the current financial system? Sure. But a global conspiracy? By whom? The WTO? The World Bank? "

Thats the thing, the movie shows exactly who's behind whats going on, even shows two presidents trying to warn about this.
I agree, it is a hard pill to swallow and who would want to beleave such things.. but there doesnt seem to be much opinion in the film, mostly facts that can be looked up at anytime.
But i watched the whole movie, not just part.

Was hoping someone here could debunk it rather than just dismiss it as crazy. Because if this is the way it really is, we probably should be aware of it.
 
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I also agree with McQueen.

Secret Oligarchies make great theater, but conspiracies have a problem. Their effectiveness is directly proportional to the probability of discovery. The more effective they are, the more likely it is that they will be uncovered, because of the number of people that have to be involved, or the extreme nature of their actions. Now, they could operate over a time scale of centuries to overcome the latter problem, but I can only think of one organization that has lasted that long; the Roman Catholic Church. They couldn't handle a bald monk from Eislaben, not to mention a certain King who went through wives like an Iron Butt rider goes through track tires. And no, I'm not buying the 'Knights Templar became the Freemasons, and they were all taught by aliens' theories either.

If Eisenhower were referring to an actual conspiracy, would he have dealt with it by vague references in a public announcement? I think he'd have taken effective, concrete steps to solve the problem. And he wouldn't have kept those steps secret. You don't fight secret oligarchies in the dark; as the movie itself says, they fear revelation more than anything. So just take your information to the public. What? They were blackmailing him? Doubtful, or he wouldn't have said what he said. What? He set up a secret organization to fight the oligarchy? Then everything I said about effectiveness and maintaining secrecy applies to that organization too.

The producers of this film say that their past films are among the most damning indictments of George W Bush and his administration. Great; he sure ushered in the one world government, didn’t he? He sure overrode our basic freedoms to perpetuate his power, didn’t he?

Maybe I just don't want to see the truth. Maybe I just can't give up on that little boy standing at attention while Armed Forces TV Europe plays the Star Spangled Banner. But everything I've seen of politics so far in my lifetime has fit very well with the following model:

We have a lot of politicians who say whatever they have to to get elected, and do whatever they have to to get reelected. Most of them couldn't successfully manage the last gas station this side of Death Valley. A rare few are actually motivated by public service, and a coherent set of political ideals to which they stay as true as possible without putting themselves out of the game. They are put in and kept in that game by the voting fraction of the electorate, a large fraction of whom would need three guesses to name the war Eisenhower fought in, and couldn't define posse comitatus if their habeas corpus depended on it. I'm probably being too harsh here; they are good, well-intentioned people, who'd gladly devote days or even weeks of research before every election. But they can't, because their son's science fair is next week, the washing machine just ate the cat, and grandma just drove her car into a bus full of penguins.

Does this model conflict with the idea of a secret oligarchy? No, it really doesn't. But I don't see enough coherent movement toward any goal to make me wonder if such an oligarchy exists. Therefore Occam's razor says they probably don't.

But just in case they do, may I point out to our impending financier overlords that forum moderators make excellent tools of the revolution, and I can also offer a garage full of Girl Scout cookies? :D
 
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world order

None of the people that run for office are allowed to run unless they belong to the club? You NEVER really have a choice. You are only lead to believe you voted for a choice. The political appointees are introduced to you and are given the right to run after they have passed the test of allegence to the other club members. This is why we don't run elections by popular vote. The electoral system keeps you in line and prevents you from voting for candidates that they don't want... The vast majority of people vote for candidates on advertising lies. They have no real idea how the candidate voted for laws or what they voted for. Many of the candidates don't either. They follow political lines. Would you like the green or the blue pill?:eek:
 
#11 ·
Gtorockz,

Shared thoughts....

Consider and investigate the source of "documented facts" before you jump on the bandwagon. A "documented fact" = there is a Brooklyn Bridge. OK, no argument. But, if someone on the street offers to sell it to you, does that does make it a wise purchase?

All actions are not necessarily filled with conspiracy, hidden agendas, symbolism and secret meanings, etc. Like Freud said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
 
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Alex Jones amazing thoughts

http://perrylogan.org/AlexBleef.html

srael microwaved a hundred thousand of its own children.
Your cell phones are watching you every moment.
The main source of meat in North Korea is executed prisoners.
SWAT teams are being taught that Christians are evil.
The government can control the weather. (All conspiracy guys believe this. What's the deal?)
The Mafia was started by Julius Ceaser's grandfather.
"Vaccines are killing our children--mainstream news." (Direct quote from InfoWars 12/27/01. No sources cited.)
SWAT team guys can't satisfy a woman. (InfoWars, 12/27/01. You never know how Alex Jones "knows" anything. Did the SWAT guys open up to Alex...or weas there some study done? Alex didn't say.)
Texas is run by the Masons. (Is that why Texas has the worst schools in the world?)
"Cell phones have been proven in hundreds of major studied to cause brain tumnors. There's no debating it." (Also no references or citations given. Alex says he sources everything, but he sources almost nothing he says. When you can find the source, you always discover that Alex has completely garbled it.)
Drinking fluoridated water causes your IQ to go down 10 points. (No documentation. No reference. No nothing.)
Devil-worshippers run the country. (But only angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's can perceive it!)
The government is afraid of smart people. (Explains why they leave the conspiracy guys alone.)
Cell phones cause brain tumors. "It's like proven."
The NRA are gun grabbers. (This shows you just how far to the right Alex is..)
There are government-run white slavery rings. (Alex didn't have time to say what government. He said there were lots of stories about this in the back of the newspaper. As usual, the statement is completely unsourced.)
Hitler blew up the Reichstag. (Blew it up? I thought he radio-controlled some planes into it. Or was it a missile...?)
Columbine was a government op. (Rule 1 for conspiracy nuts: anything you don't like is a government op. No proof required.)
Wal-Mart is a Defense Department front. (No proof required.)
Bill Clinton is a CIA agent. (Better you should ask, who's NOT a CIA agent in Alex's comic-book fantasy.)
Illegal aliens get to go to the front in emergency rooms. (They should--for keeping our economy afloat year after year.)
They put mercury in your vaccines to brain-damage your children. (Hence the 9/11 Truth Movement.)
The Aztecs would take hallucinogenic enemas and cut their penises off. (Ah, the Sixties!)
Alex Jones has correctly predicted everything that has happened in the last 10 years. (Can you spell M-E-G-A-L-O-M-A-N-I-A? I thought you could...)
FEMA has a giant private army. (They just can't find it.)
Everyone is talking about world government. (No they're not. As used by normal people, the phrase "new world order" simply means a change in the world order. It has no implication of world government. Conspiracy nuts are stupid--what can I say?)
Vaccines have brain-damaged millions of babies. (Based on a misreading of CDC documents. Alex Jones misreads everything in order to keep his fantasies flying.)
You can't succeed in academe unless you agree that 80% of the population has to be killed off. (That's all those stuck-up academics talk about.)
Black helicopters are real. (You create your own reality, dig.)
Illegal immigrants get free tuition and discounts on their Twinkies. They always go to the front of the line in emergency rooms. (It's part of the takeover.)
There's a worldwide takeover going on, perceptible only to dumb white guys...
...but everyone is waking up. (Conspiracy nuts always say "everyone is waking up." It's part of their delusional system--like their imagined ability to predict the future.)
The ruling elite of the world worship Moloch. (The evidence for this is a blurry video of the show at Bohemian Grove. Alex thinks the Bohemian Grove show is real.)
The secret rulers of the world can live forever. (No one knows where this comes from or why Alex believes it. I think it came from a dream Alex had. As far as I know, the rulers of the world continue to die normally.)
The elite have openly announced that they want to kill 80% of us. (But, oddly, in all the world only Alex Jones noticed these startling admissions!)
Dick Cheney writes papers saying terrorism isn't real. (Alex wouldn't say what papers. Though he talks incessantly about documentation, Alex Jones almost never says where he gets his information, much less why it's dependable.)
The U.S. Government went around Italy blowing up school busses full of children...& admitted it. (Twirling their moustaches & going "Nya-ha-ha-ha!" Alex hears a lot of admissions no one else can hear.)
The left-right political spectrum is bogus (This is the dominant paradigm of stupid people today! They never offer a shred of proof. It's just too self-evident to prove, when you're as smart as these guys.)
There are little wires in dollar bills that keep track of what you buy. (Somehow.)
 
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They should--for keeping our economy afloat year after year
OK Sal, the rest was funny but this just pissed me off. They take jobs that people in my area would kill for (and sometimes do). And all the nonsense about how immigrants work twice as hard as Americans for half the pay is crap. I was forced to work (roofing)with three Mexicans in Florida that new very little english and I could'nt get em to do a darn thing.

Anyway, about the movie. You have to admit that alot of it is fact. There is quite a bit of speculation though. Alot of the things Obama said he would do he has not. And I tell you what, if he tries takin my right to bear arms i'll become an "angry white guy with an IQ's in the mid-80's". The mid-80's may be giving me more credit than I deserve.
 
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I'm to busy drinking to listen to all that noise.
Cut to the chase, if it end in obliteration for the human race I'm all for it. count me in. :rolleyes:
The final proof that this is bullskeet.
The government can control the weather.
They can't even come up with an accurate forcast let alone control it.
The Aztecs would take hallucinogenic enemas and cut their penises off.
That is partailly true. Enema part true. Penis part false. They would pierce the penis with a sting ray spine and then pass a thorny vine through the wound to cause the blood to flow down the vine onto paper to be offered to the Gods.

The main source of meat in North Korea is executed prisoners.
This is incorrect in that it is only a gross exageration. There are however, Many documented cases of canabilism from N.K. defector/refugees.
Yes they really do strip the trees of bark to eat it.
 
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BRich,

Are you mad at me or the guy who said it?

Thats just a copy from another web site.

Anyway, the point is before you watch something like that, its good to know who its coming from.I seriously doubt your IQ is 80. But I do think the smartest guys in the country (whoever they are) are only as good as the information they get and so they always consider the source first.
 
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OK Sal, point well taken. I thought you had written in all the (parenthesis). That Alex Jones guy is a bit over the top, all paraniod that the fire alarm was about him :suspicious:. I was mostly concerned with the Federal Reserve Bank... thats a trip. They believe they're "above the law"? To quote my good friend Hank "I'd love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes".
 
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Re: Are our riding days over?

What the Hell does this right wing political BS have to do with riding motorcycles?!!!! Where does Obama say he's gonna end riding bikes? These threads are supposed to be about riding not favorite songs, beer, conspiracy crap, etc. Lets get back to basics here. (For the record I love music, beer and crazy theories.)
 
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What the Hell does this right wing political BS have to do with riding motorcycles?!!!! Where does Obama say he's gonna end riding bikes? These threads are supposed to be about riding not favorite songs, beer, conspiracy crap, etc. Lets get back to basics here. (For the record I love music, beer and crazy theories.)
Ooops, don't look now, but I think you left the realm of "riding motorcycles" and slipped into the nether world of discussing "right wing political BS". Frankly, I am disappointed...:D
 
#22 ·
All conspiracy theories claim that someone is pulling strings to run the world.

The world is, and continues to be, so messed up that anyone could run it better.

Therefore: No one is running the world.

Hence: All conspiracy theories are false.
 
#23 ·
"One of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them: It is a well known fact, that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. Anyone who is capable of getting themselves into a position of power should on no account be allowed to do the job. Another problem with governing people is people. (snip) To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem."
Douglas Adams - The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
 
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Obamator Scale Update: 502 election promises/492 unanswered

Doesn't look good guys! Of course the only reason they started this scale was to keep up with the promises he made before he was elected. I don't think they put up a liars scale yet because they can't keep up with the double talk and rederick he continues to put out.

Immediate Military pull out of Iraq.

Health care reform.

Social Security Reform

Tax Cutting

Increased government spending..............................................................

Additional Bailouts.......................................................

Are riding days are over??? Hadn't heard that one yet! Oh well, I guess I'll have to start back on my unicycle! My God could it be cars next??

and the beat goes on! Oops, I guess I took a wrong turn at Albuquerque!:D I guess were still on the one Presidency at a time thingy he kept saying during his debates with McCain. To quote the Pres, "Now Look!" He's even now considering McCain's proposal of taxing health care premiums, although during the campaign he said, "it was irresponsible and ludicrous. Hmmmmmm...........interesting turnabout!:rolleyes:

Lee how's the flag doing, still upside down I hope or your going to get an early spring this year via your friendly arsonist.:D On a Triumph no less!

Cheers
Jeff:motorbike2:
 
#28 ·
A feeling that there is a sense to the world, an underlying purpose, a provable cause and effect for everything that happens, underlies a deep seated need for a lot of people to hope/believe that someone out there/up there must know what they're doing. Otherwise the universe is a cold, black, empty place full of echoes.
Conspiracy theories are the crazed end of a wide spectrum that ends in... well... you know what I think, but I don't want to start another religious thread, we've had enough of those this winter!:D

Coincidence, serendipity. One day, if you keep trying, you will toss a dime, see those Josef Stalin initials beneath FDR's head 10 times in a row, and a butterfly will fall lifeless to the ground in Papua New Guinea at the very same second.;)
 
#31 ·
A feeling that there is a sense to the world, an underlying purpose, a provable cause and effect for everything that happens, underlies a deep seated need for a lot of people to hope/believe that someone out there/up there must know what they're doing. Otherwise the universe is a cold, black, empty place full of echoes.
That's just normal paranoia, everyone has that.

Time to ride and polish and tweak and put petrol in tank and work out how to cut the cost of the weekly shop and get more work in the door to pay for the next project:D
Therein lies peace of mind.
This is true. Started the Bonnie again today, just because, and also tweaked the carbs on the Ninja and fired that up for the first time this year. They are about ready to rock! :cool:
 
#29 ·
underlies a deep seated need for a lot of people to hope/believe that someone out there/up there must know what they're doing.
So what your saying is that there are a lot of delusional people out there? :)

Just because things aren't going the way one wants does not mean that they don't know what they are doing, They might not be working toward the same end.
After all, they are looking out for themselfs not you/us. :)


I for one welcome our new Jewish masonic lizard overlords.
 
#30 ·
The siren call in most of these posts is that there are a lot of VERY BORED people out there frustrated at the crap weather and itching for Spring to take a permanent foothold.
Boredom begets conspiracy posts which in turn beget excessive philosophical ramblings.
Time to ride and polish and tweak and put petrol in tank and work out how to cut the cost of the weekly shop and get more work in the door to pay for the next project:D
Therein lies peace of mind.
 
#36 ·
....Boredom begets conspiracy posts which in turn beget excessive philosophical ramblings.....
.....excessive philosophical ramblings begat Frothgar.....Erik Njorl, son of Frothgar, leaves his home to seek Hangar the Elder at the home of Thorvald Nlodvisson, the son of Gudleif, half brother of Thorgier, the priest of Ljosa water, who took to wife Thurunn, the mother of Thorkel Braggart, the slayer of Cudround the powerful, who knew Howal, son of Geernon, son of Erik from Valdalesc, son of Arval Gristlebeard, son of Harken, who killed Bjortguaard in Sochnadale in Norway over Cudreed, daughter of Thorkel Long, the son of Kettle-Trout, the half son of Harviyoun Half-troll, father of Ingbare the Brave, who with Isenbert of Gottenberg the daughter of Hangbard the Fierce ... Evidently Thorgier, the Priest of Ljosa water who took to wife Thurunn, the mother of Thorkel Braggart, the slayer of Gudmund the powerful, who knew Howal, son of Geernon, son of Erik from Vadalesc ...
 
#34 ·
The siren call in most of these posts is that there are a lot of VERY BORED people out there frustrated at the crap weather and itching for Spring to take a permanent foothold.
Boredom begets conspiracy posts which in turn beget excessive philosophical ramblings.
:D
Hey, I resemble that remark.
And just so you know, I live in Ca. I can and do ride every day. That is what gives me such clarity of thought.:rolleyes:

remember this is the intardwebs and the first rule of the intaedwebs is to never take it seriously.
Now stop staring at me.
:)
 
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