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post #1 of 83 (permalink) Old 04-18-2008, 01:26 AM Thread Starter
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Harley vs Triumph

I was reading the "1200 Sportster" thread and it reminded me of how all this got started way back in the Daytona days when Triumph and BSA were kicking Harley's butt on the track and it was translated to the showroom floor.

Here comes the Sportster, specifically made to compete with the English Invasion. And y'know what? It's still going on! 50+ years of rivalry!

The English stepped on their feet back in the 70s and Harley was DAYS away from going under. I'm just glad there's a choice out there nowadays!
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Dare to be different eh? bet the Triumphs get more attention though,

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Harley tamed by economic slowdown

Suzy Jagger, New York | April 18, 2008

FONDA and Nicholson cruised around America on them and Elvis owned one before he became famous, making Harley-Davidson one of the world's most desirable brands.
But yesterday the motorcycle maker was given a less appealing image when the Milwaukee-based group said it was dismissing 8 per cent of its workforce and cutting production.

As the group admitted that the slowdown in the US had seen sales of its motorbikes fall by almost 13 per cent in America alone during the first quarter of the year, it also gave warning that earnings for the year would fall by as much as a fifth.

Worldwide sales of the motorcycles also fell, down 6 per cent in the first quarter, compared with 12.8 per cent in the US.

Net profit for the period ended March 30 stood at dollars $US187.6 million ($200.1 million), compared with dollars $US192.3 million for the same period the year before. Revenue increased 11 per cent to $US1.31 billion.

The company, whose FXDF Fat Bob motorcycle sells for $US14,795 ($15,785), is cutting production to avoid key markets being flooded by a product that is branded on its scarcity value.

The shares fell to a 52-week low of $US34.10, down 3 per cent from Wednesday's closing price. They have traded as high as $US66 in the past year.

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Harley were better at producing badass potatos, and thought bends were just a condition that divers tend to suffer from...(!) But seriously quoting the uk MCN when reviewing their new sporty XR1200: 'The japs would have knocked this up in an afternoon' just about sums it up.

Yes part of their appeal is the harley badge, lifestyle and loveable yet awfully crude engine/gearbox but that only gets you so far especially when the average harley-riding population is ageing, with the exception of yuppie riders who, pay the enormous high price tag as a gimmick and then sell them on, fuelling the second hand market.

Triumph/Ducati will continue to prosper because they have the badge, character, uniqueness AND the jap style engineering, models like the monster, street triple, bonnie-range, sportclassic, are down to earth, fairly priced, appeal to a mass market yet retain that exclusive stance.

I was extremely disappointed with their XR1200 flat track tribute bike that has been in development for ages and ends up weighing in at 250kg with parts that look like offcuts from a north korean shipyard. This is just my observation, obviously plenty of people will disagree with me!

I get people always saying to me 'nice bike 'did you restore that thing yourself?' or just want to chat. Doubt id even get that with a hog.

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My landlord drives trucks for HD and he said that they are laying off a lot of people in the next week or so. Not good.

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Dont forget what the Honda CB750 did to harley, and brit bikes too.

Harley had to ask for import tariffs on bikes over 700cc.

The brits lost their edge in the 70s and are now just enjoying a resurgence.


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i love my brit bike but for every brit bike on the road in the usa there are 100 hd .i think most of there troubles is they have filled the market till the bikes on the road get worn out.
There are more people rideing hds now then ever before.Back when i rode them only bad boys had HD.

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It would be interesting to know what the revenue picture looks like for:
- HD clothing
- Screamin' Eagle accessories
Even if the bike sales dip, they have inundated the bike market in the US, and these folks buy a lot of 'stuff' with the HD logo on it, so accessory and clothing revenues would be interesting to see.

However, I think the guys that are buying an HD because it is the thing to do are off buying something else now. There were execs where I worked that, at age 40-50, bought their first bike, an HD. I think those days, like the days of the hula hoop, are over.

I think in the future, HD may have to depend on the dyed in the wool motorcyclist, not the individual purchasing driveway jewelry. And that's a much smaller number.


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"Triumph/Ducati will continue to prosper because they have the badge, character, uniqueness AND the jap style engineering". Well nearly jap style engineering.

Except that Triumphs don't like rain or water... just like my '72 Norton! Even owner's manual stresses don't get this that or the other wet!

Love my Speedmaster, but never had a problem with my '01 Harley Dyna Super Glide Sport (fun bike) or Fat Boy (comfy cruiser). 25,000 miles, no break downs, no problem in thunderstorms, had a great time on them, ran with great bunch of guys and then moved on....

Am a Rat all the way now, but no need to blast my Harleys, or my Hondas, or my Yamahas, or my Suzukis, or my Nortons, or my Bultacos...........

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When talking Harley vs Triumph.......I compare them this way.

They are like the Redsox vs Yankees. Both team's fans are crazy about their clubs and hate the other one with a passion. But at the same time, they are both fantastic teams and whenever they face off, no matter what the outcome is, it's going to be exciting and there's no other team we'd rather face!! (yankees suck)

Comparing Harley vs Triumph is nothing more than complimenting one another

Long live the Triumph/Harley rivalry!

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