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post #101 of 114 (permalink) Old 11-24-2012, 01:56 PM
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In a few years Transformer plastic bikes will be retro to people who are in their 20s today.

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The retro phase answers the desire for those of us who like a simpler riding experience. The basic bike can be outfitted to the riders taste. I've never been a fan of the dresser, interstate cruiser, chopper or rice rocket type bikes, but to each their own. The logical phase would be for "bare" frame and engine packages to be offered by the factories. Then the buyer can go to the dealer and get the bike "finished" with fender, light exhaust, seat, tank and paint to suit them instead of pulling things off and swapping components. Factory customs. Sound interesting?

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The retro phase answers the desire for those of us who like a simpler riding experience. The basic bike can be outfitted to the riders taste. I've never been a fan of the dresser, interstate cruiser, chopper or rice rocket type bikes, but to each their own. The logical phase would be for "bare" frame and engine packages to be offered by the factories. Then the buyer can go to the dealer and get the bike "finished" with fender, light exhaust, seat, tank and paint to suit them instead of pulling things off and swapping components. Factory customs. Sound interesting?
Though I've never been interested enought to pay the big bucks to do this with a Harley, Harley does offer factory custom. When buying my Triumph, I had wished that Triumph had.

It may be an American-buying idiosyncrasy to want it "my way", but cannot believe this isn't a universal desire. Yet, I'd imagine that there's a huge cost to in running a separate "custom" manufacturing line, a cost that the consumer might not be able to bear.
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When buying my Triumph, I had wished that Triumph had.

It may be an American-buying idiosyncrasy to want it "my way", but cannot believe this isn't a universal desire. Yet, I'd imagine that there's a huge cost to in running a separate "custom" manufacturing line, a cost that the consumer might not be able to bear.

I'm right there myself right now, looking for a bike. I'd buy a new one in a heartbeat if I could pick and choose my combination of color, mag/spoke, seats etc from existing bikes to build what I want.

As for retro being the future, maybe as many have pointed out there is a market for practical basic bikes and retro seems to fill that. I like the transformer bike to though
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How expensive would it be to ship a bike sans fenders and tank, with a basic wheel choice (wire or mag) mnius the pipes and silencers and a few other trinkets. A lot of the dealer set up cost would reflect the options and installation. They don't mind the buyer adding windscreens, bags, changing the drive gear, swapping pipes with the necessary rejetting etc. Send the tanks in primer and let the customer take them to a shop for finishing. That's easier than removing the factory finish. Seat choice shouldn't be a hassle. Send it to the dealer and let the customer pick out one. I'm not talking about a ground up build, but if you can cherry-pick options and order a car, why not a bike?

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I don't think of it as a new revival. Classical design always abides. New innovations, fashions and fads come and go. We continually return to the ideals set down by the ancient Greeks. Beauty, balance, grace and nothing to access. In other words, the looks of the Triumph Bonneville.
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I've only been riding 4 years and one month. My T-100 is my fifth bike, and my wife has gone through a few bikes too. By far, the Bonneville is the one that's the most fun. Every time I go for a ride of any distance, I have a huge smile on my face when I get off the bike. It steers the right way. The mix of power and weight is just right. It has the look.
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I'm old enough to remember the days when the retro bikes were just plain old motorcycles. You rode any little bike with 2 wheels and a motor. Then marketing changed everything. I remember back in 1985 , looking at a Kawasaki Ninja and thinking it was just what I needed to prove my racing prowess and blow my firiends away. At the same time I thought a Bonnie was an outdated POS, sure to get humiliated by big 4 cylinder Japanese bikes. The Ninja fit my racing fantasy.

Now, the problem wth marketing is, it is not reality, its fantasy. The fantasy is never as good as you imagined. And the "plain old bikes" are actually more fun. They don't dominate everything, are more subtle, reseved, less intense. They leave space and time for enjoying the ride, for just dropping into the turns, and blasting through the gears, or going slow and looking around. Thats what is important to me. By the same token, they also leave room for your own style and personality, better if you want to customize and modify.

Less is more. This step back is a huge step forward to putting the fun back in motorcycling. F#ck the racers and cruisers, give me a d@mn motorcycle and I will have fun.

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I'm old enough to remember the days when the retro bikes were just plain old motorcycles. You rode any little bike with 2 wheels and a motor. Then marketing changed everything. I remember back in 1985 , looking at a Kawasaki Ninja and thinking it was just what I needed to prove my racing prowess and blow my firiends away. At the same time I thought a Bonnie was an outdated POS, sure to get humiliated by big 4 cylinder Japanese bikes. The Ninja fit my racing fantasy.

Now, the problem wth marketing is, it is not reality, its fantasy. The fantasy is never as good as you imagined. And the "plain old bikes" are actually more fun. They don't dominate everything, are more subtle, reseved, less intense. They leave space and time for enjoying the ride, for just dropping into the turns, and blasting through the gears, or going slow and looking around. Thats what is important to me. By the same token, they also leave room for your own style and personality, better if you want to customize and modify.

Less is more. This step back is a huge step forward to putting the fun back in motorcycling. F#ck the racers and cruisers, give me a d@mn motorcycle and I will have fun.
I disagree. With current tech like traction.control it allows more people to experience the sport.

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